Faster Behr
Club Member
Hopefully someone doing their due diligence will search online for its registration number KRX 87H or KRX87H and will be come across this thread.
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Early 240Z at Auction
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Mark N
Club Member
Might be too late!
That said, they have made made two very hefty increases, possibly bumping it up close to a reserve.
Kieronpollock
Club Member
If it was on Collecting cars you could have at least asked some challenging questions what would have been seen by all, not so on Carandclassic
Rushingphil
Club Member
CarandClassics.com aren't selling the car. They are simply a conduit between vendor and purchaser.
The vendor should hopefully have read the terms and conditions of the auction site:
All reference to being an original RHD has now been removed.
chrisvega
Well-Known Forum User
The deleted/incorrect information in the advert is a 'material fact' ie one that would influence any potential purchasers decision making.
Therefore surely all bids made so far must be void and the auction re-started as there is no other reference in the advert to this deletion.
Very shady practice!
Therefore surely all bids made so far must be void and the auction re-started as there is no other reference in the advert to this deletion.
Very shady practice!
Yes agreed. At first I thought that as long as the current highest bidder knows it was a LHD car and is happy it doesn't matter, but then of course it may not have got that high and he could have got it cheaper!
chrisvega
Well-Known Forum User
The advert is still full of half truths and hearsay!
How does the current highest bidder know it is a lhd conversion? If he is not a clued up Z enthusiast he probably doesn't - and if he was a clued up Z enthusiast, he wouldn't buy at that price unless....well, use your imagination, I won't say anything derogatory in case he appears on here shortly
There is still no mention of that in the auction blurb and it says 'An original right-hand drive import in this condition makes it not only beautiful, but increasingly rare and highly collectable'Weasel worded to deceive in my opinion, we all know HLS30 vin number means US export model and by definition LHD from factory and the conversion evidence is plain to see in the photos.
Paperwork conveniently lost from the last 40 years and an unsubstantiated cock and bull story (where does that saying come from ha ha?)
I'm not even sure that the British military were in Japan in the early 70's? Anyone else know for sure?
Of course the US military were there and quite a few took their HLS30's back to USA with them but I've never heard of any UK servicemen bringing a car back from Japan. If I had to make an educated guess I would say it more than likely it was owned by a USAF serviceman whose next posting was in the UK and brought the Z with him, Mildenhall or Lakenheath perhaps.
The car may be OK at the right price (which is quite a bit less than £40k or even £37.5k imo) but the seller leaves a very bad smell
Rushingphil
Club Member
Withdrawn?
Kieronpollock
Club Member
Yes no longer on carandclassic auction site
The power of social media?!
The power of social media?!
uk66fastback
Club Member
I’m sure the ad said the seats had been rebuilt/recovered in the US. Why would someone send their seats to the US when they could be done here? And no paperwork of course, so another half truth there …
Faster Behr
Club Member
Yes, the ad did say - "Front driver’s seat has been retrimmed and refurbished by a company in California".
Crucially, It also said - "Historically significant in the world of Japanese sports cars, an original right-hand drive import in this condition makes it not only beautiful, but increasingly rare and highly collectable".
Is it possible that the seller doesn't know the truth about the cars origins?
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Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
All LHD markets received the HLS30 chassis prefix, not just the USA. They also shared the same body serial number sequence, so unless there's more information it's not possible to deduce market variant from chassis number alone.
Having said that, the emissions equipment and other details on this particular car would point to it having been a North American market variant.
There was an exchange programme for aircrew between the USAF/USN and RAF/FAA during that period, with a fair number of RAF/FAA pilots and navigators being stationed in Japanese bases. One of my own cars was bought new in Japan and ended up in the UK after being mixed up in such rotations. It did happen, but without the paper trail to back it up this car's history is a little moot.
Yes. It would be strange for a UK serviceman to buy an LHD car new in Japan and bring it back to the UK with him. An RHD example wold make much more sense.
Agreed. But - again - with the "mislaid" paper trail and the DVLA no longer offering the service where they would supply details of previous owners for a fee, it would seem to be a moot point. I just hope any new owner doesn't swallow the story whole.
He was active on Facebook for a while, showing the process of the recent paint job and interior work, and was 'put straight' on the LHD identity several times by different people and he did in fact acknowledge the doubt in later posts (although he described it as "some conjecture about LHD origins"). I guess its possible that he didn't know at first and then was so attached to the story that he found it hard to let go, but there's no excuse now.
Yes, lets hope a Google search for KRX 87H or KRX87H brings up these threads so that a prospective owner has access to these threads.
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
Good! Lets add chassis number HLS30-16044 to KRX87H too.
I noted that the North American market door jamb tag has been removed from the car too, so - with the dashboard VIN having been lost with the swap to an RHD dashboard - the only place on the car that the actual chassis number will be found is on the firewall.
MCBladeRun
Club Member
Put that in the meme thread as well please
