Another Sam story.

[jaydeescuba]

I'm no Zed Historian, but the comments in this thread are somewhat interesting. So I turned to my copy of Spike's book, particularly pages 229 - 232 where he writes out his Super Samuri specifications and more especially the qualification requirements. These are if I may paraphrase " If Spike says it's a Samuri, it's a Samuri"

So if his is the 75th car he mentions on page 232, then surely it's a Samuri, or am I being a naive Ulsterman ?

So it really doesn't matter who did it, or where, or when....Spike says it's a Samuri.

 

[Rob Gaskin]

I can see a problem, it's too well built for a Samuri, even a Super Samuri. I think it should be a Super Plus Samuri!

 

[MikeB]

So it really doesn't matter who did it, or where, or when....Spike says it's a Samuri.

Well that's how I read it

In the book he says he owns the registered trademark for the name Samuri, if that's the case then he's the one who can authorise a car as a Samuri.

And if he changes his mind and "builds" another 75 (or is that 73 ?) then that's his business

Or am I wrong?

 

[jaydeescuba]

As far as I'm concerned, it's down to Spike and if he says it is then it is.

 

[MikeB]

Jolly good, we're agreed

 

[Gaz 300]

that is not a samuri and wont be needs to remove the wording of the bonnet asap taking the p***

the car built bydjr painted by poles in france i believe how does that make samuri and lhd car looks nice i agree but not a true samuri as you must agree just afake or tribute

for the attentionof steve burns as i said nice tribute car not the real mc coy and anint jealous please cancel my member ship asap just renewed time to say goodbye no more time to waste on here the end

Oh dear "taking the ****" "fake or tribute" "not the real mc coy" and this is from someone called the RED BARON

 

[nospark]

I am confused. In the Classic Register of Autumn 1997 page 18 there is a published letter from Spike Anderson wishing to "clear the matter up" re the name Samuri. He states that in Aug 1993 when he "retired" (his use of inverted commas) he "...sold to William Galliers the trading rights of the old SAMURI CONVERSIONS and the name "SAMURI" and no one else has any rights to the name or its use....."

Then in The Classic Register winter 1997 page 16 a Kevin Irons sends a letter refuting the above claims and that when Spike Anderson left these shores for Spain the winding up of the company resulted in Kevin Irons and Ross Ferguson registering the name with Companies House.

I don't know if any of the above was refuted or challenged post 1997 but it implies that according to the above information it was not in Spike Andersons gift to officially state what car was or wasn't a Samuri post 1993. So perhaps the "if Spike says its a Samuri, then its a Samuri" only held sway for pre 1994 cars.

I am just stating what I've come across in Classic Register magazines and perhaps this is not the full story. Interesting though

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

I am confused. In the Classic Register of Autumn 1997 page 18 there is a published letter from Spike Anderson wishing to "clear the matter up" re the name Samuri. He states that in Aug 1993 when he "retired" (his use of inverted commas) he "...sold to William Galliers the trading rights of the old SAMURI CONVERSIONS and the name "SAMURI" and no one else has any rights to the name or its use....."

Then in The Classic Register winter 1997 page 16 a Kevin Irons sends a letter refuting the above claims and that when Spike Anderson left these shores for Spain the winding up of the company resulted in Kevin Irons and Ross Ferguson registering the name with Companies House.

I don't know if any of the above was refuted or challenged post 1997 but it implies that according to the above information it was not in Spike Andersons gift to officially state what car was or wasn't a Samuri post 1993. So perhaps the "if Spike says its a Samuri, then its a Samuri" only held sway for pre 1994 cars.

I am just stating what I've come across in Classic Register magazines and perhaps this is not the full story. Interesting though

So what is a Samuri?

 

[AliK]

So what is a Samuri?

Does this help?

Ali K

 

[Rob Gaskin]

Every time a Thread mentions Samuri we get a debate.

Anyway here's some more fuel for the fire:

Apparently my blue car was originally owned by Spike and he sold it to DJ when he left for Spain. DJ built it up and it was sprayed in the same booth as Number 75. It has the same exhaust system, Minilites etc. Perhaps it's a Samuri recreation

 

[STEVE BURNS]

I am confused. In the Classic Register of Autumn 1997 page 18 there is a published letter from Spike Anderson wishing to "clear the matter up" re the name Samuri. He states that in Aug 1993 when he "retired" (his use of inverted commas) he "...sold to William Galliers the trading rights of the old SAMURI CONVERSIONS and the name "SAMURI" and no one else has any rights to the name or its use....."

Then in The Classic Register winter 1997 page 16 a Kevin Irons sends a letter refuting the above claims and that when Spike Anderson left these shores for Spain the winding up of the company resulted in Kevin Irons and Ross Ferguson registering the name with Companies House.

I don't know if any of the above was refuted or challenged post 1997 but it implies that according to the above information it was not in Spike Andersons gift to officially state what car was or wasn't a Samuri post 1993. So perhaps the "if Spike says its a Samuri, then its a Samuri" only held sway for pre 1994 cars.

I am just stating what I've come across in Classic Register magazines and perhaps this is not the full story. Interesting though

Both of these letters where also printed in the Z Club Magazine in their entirety

And also included in a post number 336 shown on the website in a long thread that had 351 post in it titled Spike and Samuri New website

It is a long read and was also cleaned up a bit as there was some heated personal discussions going on at the time

http://zclub.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13398&highlight=spikes+new

copy of scan in post 336 below

 

[SKiddell]

The whole "Samuri" thing leaves me a little cold and is always a victim of lily guilding rather than seeing things for what they are (were)

I often wonder how much of it is a quest for truth and how much of it is to create a marque within a marque.

But the bit that made me chuckle was

I later learn that number 75 (the sixth and final Super Samuri competition car) is the fastest in existence, even compared against the famous Big Sam race car.

Wow what a superlative, I am sure there will be lap and 1/4 mile times, GPS and trap speed data published in a follow up article, the author is probably contacting the old Jackanory script writers as we speak.

Interestingly whilst Mr Red Baron was shot down in flames, it would seem (according to Mr Burns) that post 1993 (the great escape) Mr Anderson has no right what so ever to sanction or provide provenance to any car wishing to bear the Samuri badge, maybe theres a case for all post 1993 Samuri tributes to be badged "Shamuri".

Edit: After checking company house this trade name appears to be free

 

[MikeB]

Ah, just add Bisto to thicken the plot even more

Well it just all proves you can't believe everything you read

Steve, how do you feel about Samocation as an alternative?

 

[AliK]

Rob, I think in Japanese that makes yours a Sanzoku samuri!

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

What I don't understand is that's there's not a sort of 'spec' for the cars, the numbers make are very murky with new ones popping up including the reshells etc, apart from 'Big Sam' which has a great history where to the others fit in? I've often tried to get my head around it but due to me now being a simple Devonshire lad I can't

 

[datsun dave]

Edit: After checking company house this trade name appears to be free

Are you sure ?

 

[AliK]

Are you sure ?

Difficult to answer that as samuri autos Ltd is dissolved .....

But samuri ltd is trading, so what did he call the firm?

Ali K

 

[datsun dave]

Difficult to answer that as samuri autos Ltd is dissolved .....

But samuri ltd is trading, so what did he call the firm?

Ali K

He traded as Samuri Conversions Limited.

 

[jaydeescuba]

He traded as Samuri Conversions Limited.

Yes, the spelling was a deliberate choice as the 'samuri 'name was already copyrighted at the time.
And it's only recently I've found the website associated with the sub-species and his offering authentication services. ..

Jdscuba

 

[datsun dave]

Yes, the spelling was a deliberate choice as the 'samuri 'name was already copyrighted at the time.
And it's only recently I've found the website associated with the sub-species and his offering authentication services. ..

Jdscuba

Also was told that it was a mistake done by the signwriter as he did not know the correct spelling.