Samuri for sale at NEC

franky said:
A fool and his money....

I'm not saying the cars aren't worth it, just really really don't see the value in this. Where is it? The paint job?
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C'mon, are other cars 'sold' at multi-million prices 'worth' it ?

We're always saying that advertised prices are merely that and also that auction prices only reflect demand (from at least two origins) on the day but are a truer indication of price.

And now it's simply ''a fool and his.....'' ?

When will people here accept that all Zs ARE worth it and some, for whatever the reasons and logic, the market has prized above others ?
 
SeanDezart said:
C'mon, are other cars 'sold' at multi-million prices 'worth' it ?

We're always saying that advertised prices are merely that and also that auction prices only reflect demand (from at least two origins) on the day but are a truer indication of price.

And now it's simply ''a fool and his.....'' ?

When will people here accept that all Zs ARE worth it and some, for whatever the reasons and logic, the market has prized above others ?
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Sean, you've got the European end of the stick.

All z's are worth what? How is a shed paint 'special' worth more than the Mzr car? Maybe the Mzr was too cheap?

What does that make a genuine special model like a zg worth?

I guess a model where the numbers are going down not up!
 
franky said:
Sean, you've got the European end of the stick.

All z's are worth what? How is a shed paint 'special' worth more than the Mzr car? Maybe the Mzr was too cheap?

What does that make a genuine special model like a zg worth?

I guess a model where the numbers are going down not up!
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I don't understand the European end of the stick comment - sorry.:eek:

Yes, in my view, the latest MZR car was priced too inexpensively (can we avoid the word 'cheap' please:thumbs:) !

"numbers are going down not up''.....meaning what please ?:confused:

I want a world where a 'good' 240Z is priced at at least £30k hether it be a true to stock car or prepared/modified with good taste and by preference period looks.

These are classic cars and the current (for how long will it last ?) trend of swaps, ZG arches and slammed versions detract from their true place and value as much as the customising did (with long, long-lasting public image depreciation) back in the late '70s and early '80s.

You, who are trying your best to attain a period, classic look should appreciate this.:)
 
I've been after that look for years, life's just stopping me being ahead of the curve :)

Numbers going up.... All the 'sams' being found in barns, lack real model spec, new cars, you name it, it's there.
 
franky said:
Numbers going up.... All the 'sams' being found in barns, lack real model spec, new cars, you name it, it's there.
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Proof then that rarity doesn't equal value :D or that there comes a point where the rarity and value curves cross ?
 
I'm just back from the show and the car wasn't a great example in so many respects which I'm not prepared to go into on here in public. There weren't many bidders on this car, just one in the room and one one the phone I think, and that was probably because of the car itself, Samuri or otherwise.
 
Plenty of mugs around,they say there are more out than in,48k for a Zed,don't care wot you do to it they ain't worth that much ,can't see the attraction of a Samuri,no disrespect intended but there are a few Zeds around now days,mine included that would leave em for dead,are those mugs paying for a bit of race history because that is all I can see in the price,I agree with Franky
 
status said:
but there are a few Zeds around now days,mine included that would leave em for dead,
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So sell it for more - it's worth it.

But you're both missing the point upon how 'value, worth' - call it what you will is determined and because you don't understand - you refute it - normal human response.:rolleyes:

The world is flat.
 
Not for sale as it is one of my hobbies like most on here,but if some idiot wants to give me a ridiculous wad of cash then I would sell it,simple economics,the point is ,putting silly prices on old cars means that jo public in general can't afford it and if you did decide to sell then I think it would struggle as there are more people with 20 k than 40 k,not rocket science really
 
SeanDezart said:
So sell it for more - it's worth it.

But you're both missing the point upon how 'value, worth' - call it what you will is determined and because you don't understand - you refute it - normal human response.:rolleyes:

The world is flat.
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No Sean, I understand it, just do not 'get it' in this case.
 
Obviously easier to sell a well-sorted S30 two seater for £20k than £40k, double your clientel and advertise it for £10k !

And you're wrong - Jo public CAN afford it, there will be less 'punters' but there are few cars to choose from and most who have a bit of savvy or who do their homework will come to the conclusion that a car such as the latest orange MZR is a bargain....if you want a turn-key 240Z ! After that, if someone has specific wants - the price is going to increase - made to measure !
 
Not a classic car in my eyes but that is opinion only,even a mk five cortina is a classic in some people's eyes,the classic car scene went a bit stupid in the nineties and lots of people got their bums burnt,some down to sheer greed,surves em right,the same is happening now but on a much wider scale,if you pick the right future classic i.e. The 300 twin turbo maybe,then you might make a bit if that is wot your'e after,looked at that link you put on,they must be barking mad to ask that for that car as much as I like em,but like I said before there are more out than in so it probably will go for near the asking price,which puts the question,a good 240 or 260 is always gonner be worth3-4 times the price,which makes them worth silly money,so the mug that payed 48 k for that 240z at the weekend ain't a mug anymore is he
 
Joe public are the ones spoiling it for the true enthusiast,wot is your car worth Sean baby or wot do you think you would get for it in the real world,agree with the orange Zed ,lovely car,my Zed,high spec,mint condition, probably struggle to get 25k in the real world
 
Just being devils advocate here
If you did not have a Z what would you be willing to pay for one
Be totally honest and dont bump up what you would actually pay just because it would be in your personal interest to see values soar

Remember I am asking what you would pay not what cars are for sale for at the moment

And now going to hide behind the wall before some attacks start!

Think I might do a poll on this but do not think in a quite a few cases it would not get an honest responses
 
Steve.

The people you ask here and a lot more that you can't elsewhere will give you vastly different numbers.

Clubbies (of any make) have always been known ironically to play down values......

I've just seen two Porschists here pay over €30k for Zs because relative to the prices they know for comparative sportscars - the Zs were cheap !

And I begin to suspect that Samuris are being bought by speculators who have therefore concluded that whatever they pay now, in +2 years time, they can resell for more*.

*More because they are a finite product whereas a restored ordinary Z can always be produced.
 
SeanDezart said:
And I begin to suspect that Samuris are being bought by speculators who have therefore concluded that whatever they pay now, in +2 years time, they can resell for more*.

*More because they are a finite product whereas a restored ordinary Z can always be produced.
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As most enthusiasts on here have already concluded there are only three ( or five ;) ) SAMs worthy of consideration as heavyweight collectors ( substitute speculators ) cars unequivocally worth more than an 'ordinary Z' as Sean puts it.

Finite product :lol: The other 70 odd ( or is that 100 + ? ) are just ordinary Zs hanging on their coat tails with a dodgy two tone paint job and performance mods that many other 'ordinary' Zs already have anyway, albeit not 'allegedly' carried out in a shed at Silverstone in the 1970s.

Quaint story but that's about all. Worth paying a premium of many extra £000s for ? Not in my book, I'll take the properly restored 'ordinary car' with tasteful mods every time thanks.
 
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