Rally replica on Ebay

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Be careful Nigel, you're in danger of not contributing anything ;)

So, YOU can be sarcastic and try to score little points whereas my request that you stop fence-sitting and apologising to people BEFORE they complain is aggressive, rude and arrogant ?

Your aggression, rudeness and arrogance amaze me at times. End of!

I'm not aggressing you my dear and rude is your perception (referring to prattle ?) although I'll accept arrogant - yep, a Z owner and driver and proud of it despite years of others telling me I shouldn't or asking why !
 

Throttleton

Well-Known Forum User
'Your aggression, rudeness and arrogance amaze me at times. End of!'

You can't still be amazed Rob surely:)

Ok how much is a lhd californian car in good nick with the parts this car has had added worth compared to a good nick californian car with no added parts.
ie do the sh$tty stickers and cr$appy seats etc make it sooooo much more valuable.
I reckon not.
 

STEVE BURNS

Club Member
Fcuk - have to agree with you Duncan ! And 6 figures doesn't shock me, we've alreadu seen those kinda numbers from Star Motorsport !
And to think that James upset the 'family' when he spent only £40K and £70K on his road cars.........:rolleyes: !

using 1990 Approx as the base date when the £70k road car was built it would equate to £111240.20 today :eek:
 
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Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
Why is that my Count ?

This car is still a long way from being FIA homologable.

Is it because you want higher Z values seen and believed ? Or more Zs in competition for a higher profile or........?:confused:

Good luck to the speculator but he naively doesn't realise how small is the Z world.........although I know that there is another layer to Zs in the UK than we see here on this club forum.

I see it as a road car, despite the description. Probably pretty good fun as a road car, too. It's not really a "Rally" car, although it might be suitable for the less competitive and more social-themed regularity / fun type of event.

Yes, it's a million miles away from an FIA-spec car, but then - in my view - most of the Zs taking part in true FIA events these days are ( necessarily ) nothing like the original Works cars and therefore a bit less than truly 'historic'. The irony is that a true Works car brought from, say, 1971 to 2011 in a time machine would be rejected by the scrutineers in an FIA event for being 'illegal'.....

So, I'm just saying that I hope the seller gets a good price for the car, a price that sees him closer to breaking even on what he's spent than not. I think it's good karma, and - in the long run - should be good for us all. I'm tired of hearing and reading people talking down the value of these cars. The "rust free" £5000 USA imports are skewing the market value of the RHD cars in this country and I think that's a false picture. Kind of ironic in view of this particular cars' former owner, but still...

Sean Dezart said:
So it's a complete con then ?:confused: And YOU support this as a replica ?:thumbs:

Why do you see things as either brilliant or sh*t? There's a huge spectrum in between and each person's perspective is by its very nature subjective. I didn't say it was a "con", and I certainly don't "support" it as a "replica" ( I thought I made it quite clear that this car is a million miles away from what it is supposed to be replicating? ).

It's not a "con" if the owner meant well and simply missed the target slightly. I should imagine he's still probably better informed than some of the people talking the car down for its "...sh$tty stickers and cr$appy seats ...".

It appears to be an honest and fairly typical USA car with an untypical engine ( people can take the p*ss about the horsepower quotes all they like, but it's obviously an L28 engine with a diesel crank, custom pistons, head work, carbs and exhaust. Add all that lot up in £££ and add the time to build it / get it built... ) and some fun nick nacks added to it. Try to build similar and see how much it would cost.

The stickers can be peeled off, and you'd be left with something that would probably be welcome at any classic car event ( would the Z Club kick it out, then? ) and admired outside any pub on a Sunday lunchtime. What's not to like? I'd rather have that than pay £15~20k for a similarly jazzed up Triumph TR, MGB-GT, Camaro or Mustang. It's probably cheaper than the typical new conservatory and a Harley Davidson midlife crisis package deal, too.

If I can sell a 4.875 ratio R200 diff with an LSD for the best part of £2000 these days then I think it makes this car look like it's going to be cheap, all things considered.
 

STEVE BURNS

Club Member
......was still small change for him.....and I liked him, nice bloke, you could say ahead of his time, well misunderstood !

Yep a nice guy until we didnt give him a Z club award for fastest time of the day at Goodwood Z Track day
but even you in those days didn't understand him
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
I see it as a road car, despite the description. Probably pretty good fun as a road car, too. It's not really a "Rally" car, although it might be suitable for the less competitive and more social-themed regularity / fun type of event.

Yes, it's a million miles away from an FIA-spec car, but then - in my view - most of the Zs taking part in true FIA events these days are ( necessarily ) nothing like the original Works cars and therefore a bit less than truly 'historic'. The irony is that a true Works car brought from, say, 1971 to 2011 in a time machine would be rejected by the scrutineers in an FIA event for being 'illegal'.....

Why do you see things as either brilliant or sh*t? There's a huge spectrum in between and each person's perspective is by its very nature subjective. I didn't say it was a "con", and I certainly don't "support" it as a "replica" ( I thought I made it quite clear that this car is a million miles away from what it is supposed to be replicating? ).

It's not a "con" if the owner meant well and simply missed the target slightly. I should imagine he's still probably better informed than some of the people talking the car down for its "...sh$tty stickers and cr$appy seats ..."
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It's sold as a rally replica - REPLICA ! And well-meaning doesn't exempt it from being sold as something it isn't although to be fair, the owner is probably not expecting what a closer 'replica' would fetch !

You've missed me there.....I'm all for the grey bits in between brilliant or sh*t - I pefer this to some engine transplanted Z but neither is sh*t and neither is brilliant. There is a Z for everyone and for everyones' wants and needs - rare is it that one car can be jack and master all at the same time and people want different sensatins from their different cars - vive la difference ! But that's just me being subjective.:p

And I know more now of todays 'FIA spec-ed' rally 240Zs and it appears to be whom one knows because some technically shouldn't have their passport so old and new could both be seen as 'illegal'.

So, I'm just saying that I hope the seller gets a good price for the car, a price that sees him closer to breaking even on what he's spent than not. I think it's good karma, and - in the long run - should be good for us all. I'm tired of hearing and reading people talking down the value of these cars.

New Z era then :D !

It appears to be an honest and fairly typical USA car with an untypical engine ( people can take the p*ss about the horsepower quotes all they like, but it's obviously an L28 engine with a diesel crank, custom pistons, head work, carbs and exhaust. Add all that lot up in £££ and add the time to build it / get it built... ) and some fun nick nacks added to it. Try to build similar and see how much it would cost.

I know, I've costed it to perhaps convert one over here........:eek: This is as good a base as any - I understood it to be a 3.1 ltr in the ad which was I believe earlier this year and not a year ago ?

The stickers can be peeled off, and you'd be left with something that would probably be welcome at any classic car event ( would the Z Club kick it out, then? ) and admired outside any pub on a Sunday lunchtime. What's not to like? I'd rather have that than pay £15~20k for a similarly jazzed up Triumph TR, MGB-GT, Camaro or Mustang. It's probably cheaper than the typical new conservatory and a Harley Davidson midlife crisis package deal, too.
With you on that one but maybe make it a nicely set-up SRL311 1967 1/2 and don't forget that apparently, the audience here isn't the z club - they're all at home watching repeats of Coronation Street 'cos they haven't heard of satelite tv or intenet !

If I can sell a 4.875 ratio R200 diff with an LSD for the best part of £2000 these days then I think it makes this car look like it's going to be cheap, all things considered.
I knew that there was something missing from this car but let's hope that the yen drops eh ?...Damn, another pif flew past !
 
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SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Yep a nice guy until we didnt give him a Z club award for fastest time of the day at Goodwood Z Track day
but even you in those days didn't understand him

Still got three years worth of membership out of him for the price of a cheap trophy - you sure I didn't understand ?
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Nice try !

......you could say ahead of his time, well misunderstood !

Would the club refuse someone today who brought down three such Zs one of which was a track car with a support crew and mobile pits ?

I was at Le Mans Story having a champagne lunch next to a fully-fitted semi-artic capable of carrying four Zs although there was only one which had (probably) cost at least what the green one did..........but wasn't a road car !

Yes, it did superflous to spend THAT much on a road car but then look who was invoicing.......and I confess if I'd had the cash, I'd have done something equally as daft !:eek:
 

STEVE BURNS

Club Member
Nice try !



Would the club refuse someone today who brought down three such Zs one of which was a track car with a support crew and mobile pits ?
we stray from the original topic of the thread
But I would hope that the Z club if it had paid for the hire of Goodwood again today funded out of Z Club members subscriptions would take the same stance on a designated Z Club member time of the day award, a bit like the Drag challange hall of fame only being for subscribed at the time of their run
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
we stray from the original topic of the thread
But I would hope that the Z club if it had paid for the hire of Goodwood again today funded out of Z Club members subscriptions would take the same stance on a designated Z Club member time of the day award, a bit like the Drag challange hall of fame only being for subscribed at the time of their run

A sort of parallel with this forum :

the track was hired but only a max of 50 members (say 10%) took advantage of it but we continued until it became too expensive and even then looked at club-sharing but it was too early in the jap scene, even in '92 :driving:!
This forum is now the club and the ??% of members who don't come on here; I'm happy that the club accepts their money to be elsewhere and presumably content with what they receive.:)
 

Throttleton

Well-Known Forum User
originally posted by Albrecht
''It's not a "con" if the owner meant well and simply missed the target slightly. I should imagine he's still probably better informed than some of the people talking the car down for its "...sh$tty stickers and cr$appy seats ..."


Did I mention it was a con?? No I didn't. And my point which you have misunderstood or chosen to ignore was .... does the additition of the aftermarket products, Sh$tty or not , increase the value of the car above and beyond the value of the car without.
If the car has an expensive well built engine etc then fair enough the price is increased but if the parts are from halfords to make it look good then is it worth extra??
And for sure, most 240 owners are 'better informed' than me.
Thats why I read your well measured;) and informative posts:thumbs:
 
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Rob Gaskin

Treasurer
Staff member
Site Administrator
The strengths of the car in question are it's 'rust-free' shell, Rebello engine and roll cage. The front brakes, seats etc may be an added bonus but they are fairly easily sourced and may not be to the new owners liking.

So applying stickers and boy-racer bits does not add value IMO.

Treat cars like you would a woman. Some you could live with and some attract attention but are cheap. However some attract attention and you could live with but they are expensive! And then could you handle them and give them what they deserve, not many of us can :lol:


I've got my Lottery ticket for tonight :thumbs:

Robello engines - no experience whatsoever but I can tell you that Sylvain's was quick at Spa (when running rough) and Willie Robertson's was immense until it was banned!
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Treat cars like you would a woman. Some you could live with and some attract attention but are cheap. However some attract attention and you could live with but they are expensive! And then could you handle them and give them what they deserve, not many of us can :lol:

I'm curious where your wife is placed in all that ?:confused:

Mine falls into the second category (car AND wife) and the answer to the final question is yes...........but not everyday - it's too tiring !:D

Why don't you just order a Rebello engine - it'd be cheaper than buying this or any other second car ?
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
You aint lived mate - a few beers, a bag of chips and awake 'til dawn - like barn-find Zs - they're still out there if you look !
 
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