MZR does it again ! :-)

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356boy

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thanks for the reply, I am a Porsche guy turned Alfisti and now this along with the Alfas!,
i have just had a chat with Sean about the car and i am very grateful for the advice, very nice chap.
There are a few changes i would make to the MZR car for my own personal taste which would need to be factured into the price so we'll see. Not easy to get in touch with them!!
thanks
 
Alphabettispaghetti

Alphabettispaghetti

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356boy said:
thanks for the reply, I am a Porsche guy turned Alfisti and now this along with the Alfas!,
i have just had a chat with Sean about the car and i am very grateful for the advice, very nice chap.
There are a few changes i would make to the MZR car for my own personal taste which would need to be factured into the price so we'll see. Not easy to get in touch with them!!
thanks
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Have you tried calling them?
 
Albrecht

Albrecht

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richiep said:
Whether it can sell at 40k will be interesting as that is right at (beyond?) the upper limit for road-going RHD cars (not including all the recent auction silliness with Samuris). We've been debating it for months, and evidence in the form of unsold cars tends to suggest limited appetite above 30K unless its really special or money is of minimal object to the buyer (some specialist restorations to order from people like Fourways Engineering can run to 50k odd). That MZR car may just be special enough to buck the trend, but I guess we will have to watch and see!
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I think it's worth making the point that Japanese domestic market HS30-prefixed Z cars (ie, L24-engined RHD Fairlady 240Z and Fairlady 240Z-L models, as well as Fairlady 240ZG models) are a long-time exception to any perceived 30K GBP ceiling. All the more so post-Brexit and the fall of Sterling. You probably won't get a decent car for less than the equivalent of 50k GBP, and the majority of the better ones are now above the equivalent of 60k+. That's a major source of good early ('71 through '73) RHD cars out of the equation for most.

So if you simply must have RHD, your options are greatly reducing...
 
datsfun

datsfun

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franky said:
Even if that car was LHD, it'd still be 35k.
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So just a £5k premium for RHD? The market suggests otherwise IMO.

UK market for "near perfect" LHD's seems to top out between the £25-30k range from what I have seen from recent sales. I doubt if anything LHD has sold» £30k , Samuri included:smash::lol:
 
Alphabettispaghetti

Alphabettispaghetti

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datsfun said:
So just a £5k premium for RHD? The market suggests otherwise IMO.

UK market for "near perfect" LHD's seems to top out between the £25-30k range from what I have seen from recent sales. I doubt if anything LHD has sold» £30k , Samuri included:smash::lol:
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there's been a few nice lhd cars go for 25-30k. None to this spec though, given the sale prices in Europe and exchange rates also.

I'm just saying as lhd to this quality/spec would be 35k.
 
chrisvega

chrisvega

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Albrecht said:
I think it's worth making the point that Japanese domestic market HS30-prefixed Z cars (ie, L24-engined RHD Fairlady 240Z and Fairlady 240Z-L models, as well as Fairlady 240ZG models) are a long-time exception to any perceived 30K GBP ceiling. All the more so post-Brexit and the fall of Sterling. You probably won't get a decent car for less than the equivalent of 50k GBP, and the majority of the better ones are now above the equivalent of 60k+. That's a major source of good early ('71 through '73) RHD cars out of the equation for most.

So if you simply must have RHD, your options are greatly reducing...
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Hmmmmm, so guess that RHD Fairlady on Craigslist at $ 38.5k last week was a decent buy after all then.

My initial thoughts were that it was too expensive relative to it's local market being RHD in the States where that kind of price is right at the top of the tree for an HLS30 home market car. On reflection it was hope rather than reality and in that case and I was failing to see the wider picture.

I suppose even in the States there is the kudos of owning a genuine JDM car (even though RHD) that means a premium may be asked over std HLS30 cars.

With the exchange rate at 125/130 Yen to the GBP against a pre-Brexit rate of 180...ish all Japanese imports are going to be very expensive and cost prohibitive. I used to bring over the odd MGRV8 and Land Rover but those days are also well and truly over for now.
 
chrisvega

chrisvega

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franky said:
there's been a few nice lhd cars go for 25-30k. None to this spec though, given the sale prices in Europe and exchange rates also.

I'm just saying as lhd to this quality/spec would be 35k.
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From memory last two lhd cars restored by MZR to similar standard this year - white car and green car sold for around £ 25k. Green car only a couple of months ago at auction.
 
johnymd

johnymd

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Just studied the all the photo's and this has to be one of the very best IMO. The attention to detail of all the modifications from standard are superb. They have taken a standard car and made it far more aesthetically pleasing yet still retained all the good things about a 240z.

My type of car.
 
Albrecht

Albrecht

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chrisvega said:
Hmmmmm, so guess that RHD Fairlady on Craigslist at $ 38.5k last week was a decent buy after all then.
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I was sticking to HS30-prefixed (L24-engined, RHD) '71 through '73 cars with the intention of direct comparison to UK (AUS, NZ) market cars. The car you mention was an S30-prefixed 'Fairlady Z-L' (L20A-engined, RHD) model, so perhaps less of a direct comparison.

However, the '69 through '73 Japanese market S30-prefixed cars are pretty similar to L24-engined RHD Export market models in most respects, and if you intend to up-engine or otherwise modify then they make an excellent starting point. The trouble is that - in Japan - they are not very far behind their L24-engined siblings in terms of market value...

At some point we will all realise that there is a premium for original RHD '69 through '73 cars and that the very best of them (already do, and will probably continue to) change hands for figures far north of equivalent LHD models. That puts well-executed (proper parts, properly used) LHD to RHD conversions not that far behind original RHD in value, and well up there in terms of desirability when other criteria (lack of rust in unibody structure and components etc) are taken into account. Good RHD-specific donor parts are also a finite resource.

In my opinion, a private builder outsourcing the work as a Project Manager would find it very difficult to duplicate the spec of this MZR car for less money than the asking price...
 
richiep

richiep

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Albrecht said:
I think it's worth making the point that Japanese domestic market HS30-prefixed Z cars (ie, L24-engined RHD Fairlady 240Z and Fairlady 240Z-L models, as well as Fairlady 240ZG models) are a long-time exception to any perceived 30K GBP ceiling. All the more so post-Brexit and the fall of Sterling. You probably won't get a decent car for less than the equivalent of 50k GBP, and the majority of the better ones are now above the equivalent of 60k+. That's a major source of good early ('71 through '73) RHD cars out of the equation for most.

So if you simply must have RHD, your options are greatly reducing...
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Good point. I was commenting specifically about RHD and LHD cars in the U.K., but the JDM cars do fall outside that. Given my particular interests (;)) I've watched the prices in GBP terms rocketing over recent months with irritation! Although they were already strongly valued compared to the UK anyway, and realistically at this point/lifestage, the only option open to me should I pursue another project is to RHD convert a CA car and modify to Fairlady Z stylings. Given the limitations discussed in the UK market at present, I can't imagine more than a few will be genuinely motivated to source a Japanese domestic model, unless they have the money to pursue something specific, like a genuine 240ZG or 432.

At least I already have a real JDM car (even if it still needs a few more details correcting)!
 
SeanDezart

SeanDezart

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Hello Matt and yes, a nice roadside chat !

£40k? Don't ask me what I've thrown at mine and yes, you can find and buy one for less...but apply what you probably know about Porsches to 240Zs - market forces are similar irrespective of the product under scrutiny.

But I think firstly that you ought to go drive a decent one first which'll be the first step to either looking further or dropping the idea. I say this, without bias, in the safe knowledge that you'll love it but see if someone here won't let you have a go behind the wheel anyway !
 
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samuri-240

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datsfun said:
So just a £5k premium for RHD? The market suggests otherwise IMO.

UK market for "near perfect" LHD's seems to top out between the £25-30k range from what I have seen from recent sales. I doubt if anything LHD has sold» £30k , Samuri included:smash::lol:
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Wonder how much the LHD auto Samuri would go for ! :D
 
chrisvega

chrisvega

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Albrecht said:
In my opinion, a private builder outsourcing the work as a Project Manager would find it very difficult to duplicate the spec of this MZR car for less money than the asking price...
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I think the asking price is on the money (...ish) and it can only be beneficial to the marque to see restorations of this quality going forward. The engineer who did most of the work on this car is known to us both ;) and his work is from the top drawer.
 
SeanDezart

SeanDezart

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Originally Posted by Albrecht View Post
In my opinion, a private builder outsourcing the work as a Project Manager would find it very difficult to duplicate the spec of this MZR car for less money than the asking price...

chrisvega said:
I think the asking price is on the money (...ish) and it can only be beneficial to the marque to see restorations of this quality going forward. The engineer who did most of the work on this car is known to us both ;) and his work is from the top drawer.
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Agreed with both of you......sounds like I chose the right man for my Z's restoration.:cool:
 
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