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franky said:
No, using the 73id on the 70 car would, as myself and Richiep have also said, ignoring the 'ringing' issues, it just wouldn't work.
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So Richiep says
You could use certain pieces of the 73 to RHD-convert the 70, if you were planning to keep the 70's identity intact. That wouldn't really be a problem at all.
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and you say different
 
franky said:
Not at all, we're saying the same thing. Exaclty the same. I said about using the 73id on the 70 shell which he agrees about. He said you could use part of the bulkhead for a RHD swap, which is fine/normal. They're not the same thing.
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I missed the id bit
 
STEVE BURNS said:
I take that onboad but people need to actually research what a person is using the spare shell for before openly stating it is going to be used as part of a ringer
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I don't think we are saying it IS going to be used as a ringer. It MIGHT though. And it would be poorly advised in a case like this. Personally, I actually don't give a stuff if people re-shell a rotted UK car with a US shell for their own personal consumption. What the DVLA don't know won't hurt them. The problem arises when such cars are sold on and honesty isn't maintained between buyer and seller and/or worse, the reshell and the donor are an obvious mismatch.

At this point, given the cars are still for sale, we have no idea what intention a buyer may have. Hopefully, the buyer will choose one of the sensible options, i.e. use certain bits of the 73 to RHD convert the 70 and part out the rest, or restore them both as is (the 73 obviously needing an epic amount more work to achieve that). But one can't rule out the possibility that someone might buy who thinks it clever to swap the 73 bulkhead into the 70 shell. A discussion like this might help someone avoid making that mistake.
 
jonbills said:
What are the top 3 differences between a 70 and 73 shell?
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Rear quarter panels are non-vented on a 1970, vented on 73. 70 vents are incorporated into the rear hatch.

Rear deck floor of the 70 lacks the two tool boxes incorporated into it (see the photos in the auction). They have plastic tool boxes instead fastened to the deck riser behind the seats.

Gearbox crossmember mounts vertically to the shell. The 73 has the late type where the bolts pass through it horizontally.

There are others as well. E.g. the bracketry on the transmission tunnel is different on the 70 and early-mid 71 cars to accommodate the early-style centre console.

The bottom line - 1970 Zs are too different to, erm, "cross-breed" with a later car's ID...
 
With the difference between 70 and 73 cars just being the passage of time, ringing aside, I don't think anyone should be worried about a '70 car with a '73 ID. It just makes it a '73 car with some parts from an older car. No big deal.
 
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richiep said:
That is a horrible, transparently FUBAR combination for anyone stupid enough to try it. Doesn't mean it won't happen though! :(
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jonbills said:
With the difference between 70 and 73 cars just being the passage of time, ringing aside, I don't think anyone should be worried about a '70 car with a '73 ID. It just makes it a '73 car with some parts from an older car. No big deal.
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Its more than the passage of time, its completely wrong. It does not make it a 73 car. Quite car from it.

ps;Add seatbelt lower mounts/recess to the list.
 
franky said:
A few posts above Alan, Great minds etc:D
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I'm a bit slow today. Probably a preview of my future... :eek:



No offence intended to jonbills, but I thought the question was mistaken in its premise. It's probably safer to say that the "top three differences between a '70 and a '73 'shell" would number in the several hundred, and that's without talking market and exact model type into account. Once you start getting into it (we can start counting spotwelds if you like...) you come to realise that it's all a lot more complicated than you ever imagined.
 
Albrecht said:
I'm a bit slow today. Probably a preview of my future... :eek:



No offence intended to jonbills, but I thought the question was mistaken in its premise. It's probably safer to say that the "top three differences between a '70 and a '73 'shell" would number in the several hundred, and that's without talking market and exact model type into account. Once you start getting into it (we can start counting spotwelds if you like...) you come to realise that it's all a lot more complicated than you ever imagined.
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You're right Alan, however I do think a few of the 'big' things would be useful for people to know, they'd only take a few minutes to spot, once you find one thing that'll lead to the rest. It'll become even more important as time goes on and more cars make it back on the road.
 
No offence taken.

The reason I asked the question was to understand whether the differences would be of interest to a potential owner like me.

Personally, I would care if it meant that parts I might buy for my '73 car didn't fit.
I wouldn't care if you guys laughed at me for having the wrong number of spot welds.

So now I now. I would care.:D
 
jonbills said:
No offence taken.

The reason I asked the question was to understand whether the differences would be of interest to a potential owner like me.

Personally, I would care if it meant that parts I might buy for my '73 car didn't fit.
I wouldn't care if you guys laughed at me for having the wrong number of spot welds.

So now I now. I would care.:D
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If you were a potential owner, and bought what you thought was a 1970 car, which happened to be a 1973 would you be happy? Or what you thought was a 1973 car based on the id but was a 1970 body would you be happy? Its not about finding out you've a 1973 rear windscreen in a 1970 car.
 
franky said:
If you were a potential owner, and bought what you thought was a 1970 car, which happened to be a 1973 would you be happy? Or what you thought was a 1973 car based on the id but was a 1970 body would you be happy? Its not about finding out you've a 1973 rear windscreen in a 1970 car.
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Indeedy.

SeanDezart said:
.....someone will Count the rings later....
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Get it ? :rolleyes:

richiep said:
There's too many variations to make it pass muster to anyone who knows what they are looking at.
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But ultimately......these cars remain, to the bulk of 'punters', completely unknown and the golden question is - is THAT a good thing ?

I don't believe so.
 
In the for sale section.


Hi all,

I currently have a 260z 2 2 shell available for free.
All parts have been removed and maybe for sale seperate.

I have a LHD 240z coming and need the space
It's in New Milton, Hampshire and would appreciate a quick collection

If you want the V5 then I would like a little for that, as I may be tempted to revisit another for restoration and this has UK title.
 
MaximG said:
I currently have a 260z 2 2 shell available for free.
All parts have been removed and maybe for sale seperate.

If you want the V5 then I would like a little for that, as I may be tempted to revisit another for restoration and this has UK title.
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Reshell a RHD UK 260Z 2+2 doesn't shock me.:confused:
 
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