Early shells

andy smith said:
.........The reason he gave for the poor rust issues, was he was told very confidentially they used inferior recycled steel. ........ We used to sell Ziebart treatment to as many as we could persuade.
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I heard the same story related to the Alfasud. And then there were Lancias. Modern cars are a vast improvement. I reckon my car has been 'Ziebarted' it has a few rubber plugs at strategic points - I must have a look in sometime!

Anyway back on topic I used to read that the early shells were sought after by the racing guys - is that a load of cobblers then?
 
Rob Gaskin said:
Anyway back on topic I used to read that the early shells were sought after by the racing guys - is that a load of cobblers then?
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No, correct they WERE because if it could be proved that they were constructed before (what was it end '71 ?) then they were elilgible for the HSCC racing class in which they were and are very competitive.

A lot of cars were then simply imported from the States, converted or not to RHD as the supply over there of early cars was better (cheaper and in better nick) than here.

Nothing to do with weight which is laid down in the FIA homologation sheet whatever yearin which the was built and whatever the target market country.

Search button isn't working ?......better still, they'll be a technicien along in a moment to fix THAT!:)
 
SeanDezart said:
Search button isn't working ?......better still, they'll be a technicien along in a moment to fix THAT!:)
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Contacted Ben and he told me he hit the search button and nothing came up as he did not know how to word what sort of things he was looking for as he was not used to using the search facility so nothing came up Prat ;)
 
apparently you have to type something into the box before you hit the search button.

Bad advice sean baby you cant just tell someone to just hit the search button to find answers.
well obviously you can but it doesnt get you the answer you want
 
I love the irony of a non paid up member inferring that non paid up members should pay up! :rofl:
 
Dale said:
I love the irony of a non paid up member inferring that non paid up members should pay up! :rofl:
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Well I was slagged off when I was a member - why pay for the priviledge ?:) Now I'm being called a prat because another (who's been on this forum for 10 years now) doesn't know how to search on this forum - why don't you all stop protecting, defending and generally mothercoddling people post up a 'how-to' guide and direct people to that ?

C'mon, if someone's found this site, logged on, they're not complete numpties.

I was always brought up to try first before asking. Asking before trying in my view is just plain idleness and implies being not terribly interested in the answer anyway.

Steve - call me a p*at again but read the forum rules first !;) Better still apply them - lead by example.:p
 
SeanDezart said:
Steve - call me a p*at again but read the forum rules first !;) Better still apply them - lead by example.:p
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For gods sake Sean every post on here is not about you
I never called you a prat it was directed at Ben and not meant in a derogatory way

What is wrong with you you seem so disenchanted about every thing in the world

You really need to have a chill pill or two
 
Anyway, if everyone used the search button instead of asking, it may just reduce the number of posts per day down to zero!
 
andy smith said:
Not sure i am safe to get involved in this,........my brother and i both worked at a Datsun Garage garage in Hyde in the 70s. He was on the dealer council, and spent time in Japan. The reason he gave for the poor rust issues, was he was told very confidentially they used inferior recycled steel. I have no factual evidence to back this up, and he never saw any. I do remember the amount of 2-3 year old cars coming in with major rust problems mostly repaired foc paid for by Datsun Worthing. We used to sell Ziebart treatment to as many as we could persuade.
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There was no Datsun garage in Hyde in the 70's. The only Datsun garage near there was Victoria garage in Duckinfield which was then sold in 1976 to Dastun UK. I should know as I worked for the owners and was in charge.
 
"Dastun".....

red baron said:
There was no Datsun garage in Hyde in the 70's. The only Datsun garage near there was Victoria garage in Duckinfield which was then sold in 1976 to Dastun UK. I should know as I worked for the owners and was in charge.
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Behold! Lazarus speaks.....! :eek:
 
Over here, the issue isn't raised as 240Zs didn't arrive until mid/late 1971 so were all the same weight and all in standard Euro trim......except the rear lights - see elsewhere :

http://zclub.net/forum/bodywork-interior/22485-mustang-taillights-240z.html

It won't help you but mine should finish at around 900kgs wet with a full roll-cage.

There are so many differences and variable unles two cars are eaxactly as they left the factory that the question here is too academic.
 
Rob Gaskin said:
With an M3 engine and transmission? That's unreal, if you get down to 1000kg I'll be amazed.
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Wait and see - we've had plenty of time so far to plan this and I've had some VERY constructive advice from a man who knows.

New, minimum wiring, no R200 diff........
 
vipergts said:
Are the very first yr of production shells any different from later cars.

I know there is the lack of cubbie holes behind the seats but someone told be the metal is different???
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A bit of info for you from Albrecht re metal thickness in another thread
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The only true 'lightweight' bodyshells from early production were the 'PZR' bodies of the PS30-SB Fairlady Z432-R models. Their rear quarter panels, roof skins, front wings and scuttle panels were made from one gauge thinner steel than other models, all other bolt-on panels were FRP and all glazing apart from front screen was Polycarbonate. No sound-deadening, and little in the way of interior trim.

Most of the other 1969 through 1972 bare 'shells were about the same weight as eachother, give a Kg here or there. It was what was attached to them that made the difference.

Factory quoted weight for 1972 production UK model 'HS30' ( 'Kerb Weight' = with oil, water and half tank of fuel ) = 1,038kg.

Factory quoted weights for Japanese market models, all quoted for standard trans ( 4-speeds for 'S' models, and 5-speeds for all others ), with 'Standard' equipment levels and 'Dry' ( no oil, water, fuel ):

S30-S Fairlady Z = 975kg
S30 Fairlady Z-L = 995kg
PS30 Fairlady Z432 = 1040kg
HS30-S Fairlady 240Z = 985kg
HS30 Fairlady 240Z-L = 1005kg
HS30-H Fairlady 240ZG = 1010kg

*Accessories / Options will affect weight.
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from the link zbloke posted up http://zclub.net/forum/240z-260z/20493-240z-weights.html
 
Thanks Guys and deepest apologies for forgetting about the search forum but at least it keeps things rolling.

I'd heard from a well known "expert" that these early shells were different in some way....certainly reckons they rusted to a lesser extent.

Who know.

Bun fight over
 
vipergts said:
I'd heard from a well known "expert" that these early shells were different in some way....certainly reckons they rusted to a lesser extent.
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Must have been all that first grade steel before recycling.......or maybe 'these' early shells seen in Europe all came from dry states and then were protected as people there learnt from others' misfortunes.....I can't see why they should have fared better than later ones.

Last word over to you pr*t.:p
 
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