Alphabettispaghetti
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Just lucky that there wasn't any pink paint on the shelf.
Just lucky that there wasn't any pink paint on the shelf.
This one has been verified by Spike, it comes with the original "Samuri Conversions" invoices.
Why does everyone get so sceptical and hostile about a barn find?
Personally think that if you have doubts then ask the seller/owner for provenance before you start with the childish/catty remarks! Imho
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1973-datsun-240z-super-samuri
Another one that's not on the register - photo's look like a certain chicken shed to me, but I could be wrong of course...
Anyone know the car?
Edit: the Silverstone page now says restored by Z Farm.
If this is a genuine Samuri fair enough, then it can be sold as one.
This one has been verified by Spike, it comes with the original "Samuri Conversions" invoices.
Al Douglas said:Why does everyone get so sceptical and hostile about a barn find?
Which begs the question of what constitutes "A Samuri" ?
A question which after many years of debate has never been definitively answered.................
Prepare for an orange and brown coloured can of worms being opened
Little bit of unintentional comedy there, I think...?
Well, as far as these customer 'Samuri Conversions' cars are concerned, it's the impression that the cart often seems to turn up before the horse. How many times have we seen cars pop up out of the ether and then - somewhat miraculously - the 'provenance' to back them up is found (or *remembered*) along with a story. From the outside looking in, it sometimes looks a little bit too convenient...
Sad thing is that the proliferation of these 'customer' cars is in danger of tainting the cars that do deserve their reputation and the kudos that goes with their history. Three cars in particular ('Big Sam', 'FFA' and 'LAL' - a kind of Samuri 'holy trinity') have notable period race history and well-deserved status, and there were also several other cars that were well known and well documented in period. It would be a shame if all that was to be tainted by any impression of also-rans (cars that appear to be getting their status, er, 'upgraded'...) and never-weres (cars that appear to be little more than a recently-applied paint job and a set of carburettors) which we have been presented with lately.
Al, it's not barn finds that are the issue - we like them, it's the possibility of a barn find ending up as something it never was.
If this is a genuine Samuri fair enough, then it can be sold as one.
Personally if I owned a Samuri I would be more concerned about the situation than a non-Samuri Z owner.
Hopefully, the register angle might soon be covered followed by communication via the auction houses to encourage future write-ups to be factually correct.
I wouldn't hold your breath on either Sean, the ad for this car is almost a full copy and paste of the ad they used for the ex-Tony Darke car they sold at Race Retro back in February
And the register is full of lots of incorrect detail...not sure whether Mike Lee is still involved, haven't heard from him in a long while.
This was sent to me.......
& this ....