Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
I don't think they are.....
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“Restomod” S30s - who’s got / built one?
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I don't think they are.....
Why not?
Why so?
I would probably be right in assuming that those in the UK having gone though this treatment are double or nearly triple the price, or not for sale though?
I guess people’s views were that at the same price point, there is a better chance of getting a lower/“rust-free” LHD than there is a RHD.
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Matt Berry
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Ian Patmore
Well-Known Forum User
No, its more the good solid UK cars are worth the money and are not 2 or 3 times the price, its the rusty, badly "restored", quick profiteers who want more than their car is worth. I could go on with examples, but rightly the moderators would step in......
Robotsan
Club Member
Now that's a restomod!Got and built one, and it’s for sale
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
I'd say it is something other than a 'Restomod', which is kind of what I was trying to allude to in earlier posts.
That particular car looks - to me - more like some kind of Hybrid Z. Its powertrain dominates its identity. It will also dominate the way it drives and - moreover - its wider personality...
Clearly terms such as 'Restomod' are elastic and require further refinement of definition on a personally case-by-case basis.
Didn’t this sell on eBay? Saw it for £35k and then it ended?Got and built one, and it’s for sale
Yeah, I agree. I shouldn’t have used the term. That’s my fault.
I was referring to a classic car with a modern twist - better technology (engine, electronics, suspension, brakes) wider body / lowered suspension, and other typical modifications. But that’s still a very generic description.
Robotsan
Club Member
Ok, interesting. Hybrid then. What would you say in your opinion are the characteristics of a restomod? I.e. what would Matt's car have to have to make it a restomod rather than a hybrid?
I guess the term hybrid isn't really widely used in the wider car community, so that might be why restomod is used so broadly instead.
toopy
Club Member
Restomod to me is as it says really, restored and modified. So a fairly standard looking car, but with some modification like, wheels, tyres, lowered suspension, spoiler, bonnet inspection flap vents, ITB's, fuel injection, engine tweaking but keeping it L6 etc. Stuff that adds some modernity to the car without fundamentally changing how it looks.
Hybrid on the other hand is anything with a different engine, transmission, entire suspension swap (not using any or very little of the original) wide body etc.
But then there is also a half way house, so basically a Restomod as above but with an engine swap to RB or 2jz for example, it's very much personal perception of said cars and almost impossible for everyone to agree on definitive brackets.
Hybrid on the other hand is anything with a different engine, transmission, entire suspension swap (not using any or very little of the original) wide body etc.
But then there is also a half way house, so basically a Restomod as above but with an engine swap to RB or 2jz for example, it's very much personal perception of said cars and almost impossible for everyone to agree on definitive brackets.
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
For me at least, it would be more about what it wouldn't have more than what it would have. But these terms are very rubbery and grey around the edges anyway...
In S30-series Z terms, there's a whole forum scene based in the USA called 'HybridZ' https://forums.hybridz.org/ which has been going for many years. I believe it started out as a forum for people who were swapping mostly American V8 engines into S30-series Zs, so - for a fair few people - a 'Hybrid Z' tends to mean a Z with an engine and/or drivetrain swap from another manufacturer. A BMW six seems to qualify.
Yes, I concur with Toopy and Dale here. The 'Resto' part of 'Restomod' implies taking something back to what it started out as (so, at least, a restored/repainted bodyshell with or without subtle changes) as a tip of the hat to the car's heritage. That seems a key part of the whole 'Singer'/MZR type phenomenon. The 'Mod' part may well mean 'Modified' to some people but I understood it originally to imply Modern Conveniences (EG power steering, better brakes, aircon, electronic fuel injection) such as an owner might expect to have as standard equipment on his modern daily driver. Stuff that makes it easier to live with a 50+ year old car in the second decade of the 21st century.
I think the big difference is an engine/drivetrain swap from another family/model. Once you go down that route you are starting to tip over dominoes. OP here cited a car with an RB swap as his inspiration. Looking on from the peanut gallery, that sounds like a big project and - if carried out by a VAT registered company - a lot of big bills.
Modify, modernise - could both mean the same outcome
I’m with Toopy on what I meant it as. Fixed up (restored condition) and modified. My current end goal is actually more likely to be keeping an L-series engine vs doing a complete swap; but it does depend what’s available as frankly, I can get an M3 engined 280z, a L28 tuner 240Z, or an RB Turbo engined 240z all within a few grand of each other. (Condition and other criteria put to one side)
I’m with Toopy on what I meant it as. Fixed up (restored condition) and modified. My current end goal is actually more likely to be keeping an L-series engine vs doing a complete swap; but it does depend what’s available as frankly, I can get an M3 engined 280z, a L28 tuner 240Z, or an RB Turbo engined 240z all within a few grand of each other. (Condition and other criteria put to one side)
Kieronpollock
Club Member
It was good to meet and speak to you on our various car adventures.......even though me reliving the resto process brought back buried trauma that will require further hypnotherapy.
Haha! Sorry about the need for hypno!It was good to meet and speak to you on our various car adventures.......even though me reliving the resto process brought back buried trauma that will require further hypnotherapy.
