NEC soup thread

STEVE BURNS said:
If I and others do not know what is happening behind the scenes and if it is so important to everybody shame on the people for keeping it to themselves to enhance their own knowledge or keep people in the dark
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On the contrary, I don't think much of this is "so important to everybody" and - as usual - it's not much more than a storm in teacup. The difference in this case Steve is that I'm not whining about people behind the scenes and lobbying the management to get them banned just because I've had my apparently rather fragile sense of self worth a little bit dented.

STEVE BURNS said:
Surly the Goertz mythe occurred and was accepted because of the lack of knowledge easily available to everybody for many years and as you are aware it has taken a couple of decades to dispel the incorrect facts on this
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What we often call "The Goertz Myth" is alive and well, and being repeated in published articles far too often. As (presumably?) the largest and longest established club in the UK which caters for the cars concerned it might be expected that The Z Club would be in command of the facts surrounding their creation, and to be ready to supply these facts to any researcher, journalist, enthusiast or member. This does not appear to be the case, as many requests for such data to The Z Club seem to be referred to me to deal with. The very same people who 'volunteer' me for such duties then trot off and call me an "arrogant know-all"...

And I wish good luck to anyone who joins The Classic Z Register with respect to accurate history. The timeline on their website relating to the history of the S30-series Z still has Goertz in pride of place as some kind of Z Genesis. I tried, I really did.

Not quite sure what "Deep Throat" style comments are...[/QUOTE]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rgate-source/2012/06/04/gJQAwseRIV_story.html
 
Albrecht said:
What we often call "The Goertz Myth" is alive and well, and being repeated in published articles far too often. As (presumably?) the largest and longest established club in the UK which caters for the cars concerned it might be expected that The Z Club would be in command of the facts surrounding their creation, and to be ready to supply these facts to any researcher, journalist, enthusiast or member. This does not appear to be the case, as many requests for such data to The Z Club seem to be referred to me to deal with. The very same people who 'volunteer' me for such duties then trot off and call me an "arrogant know-all"...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rgate-source/2012/06/04/gJQAwseRIV_story.html
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Now I remember a few years ago discussing with yourself about compiling an accurate information sheet about who design the cars and various other bits of information so that any time a journalist wanted information or there was an article publish this could be used to attempt to get the correct information released or corrected and you thought that would be a great step forward and agreed to do it but for some reason it never was done.

The reason you get asked to put the correct information over to the press is because you are "know-all" of most things Zs but sometimes when you post on here it comes across in an arrogant nature
 
STEVE BURNS said:
Now I remember a few years ago discussing with yourself about compiling an accurate information sheet about who design the cars and various other bits of information so that any time a journalist wanted information or there was an article publish this could be used to attempt to get the correct information released or corrected and you thought that would be a great step forward and agreed to do it but for some reason it never was done.
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I don't remember agreeing to do anything of the sort. We may well have discussed it, but the fact is that something like that is exactly what the club (after how many years?) would probably be expected to be able to provide as a matter of course. And I'm not a member of the club, as you keep pointing out.

STEVE BURNS said:
The reason you get asked to put the correct information over to the press is because you are "know-all" of most things Zs but sometimes when you post on here it comes across in an arrogant nature
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Half the time I've got my tongue planted firmly in my cheek, and I don't take myself half as seriously as you and your Deep Throat pals seem to think I do. It seems to me that the people who whine about this kind of thing are often here today and gone tomorrow, and don't really have all that deep an interest anyway. They like the cars and are looking for a lightweight chat about them, maybe even the odd bit of human interaction involving white plastic garden furniture and picnic blankets (I'm not knocking it...) but matters historical or technical don't usually get much deeper than thermostat choice. Fine if that's your bag, but it's not really mine.

Delicate nature? Social Media is probably best avoided.

What does it all matter anyway? My psychotherapist doesn't seem to be able to tell me, at least...
 
STEVE BURNS said:
The reason you get asked to put the correct information over to the press is because you are "know-all" of most things Zs but sometimes when you post on here it comes across in an arrogant nature
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Seems that The Count's statements like mine 'and others) 'come across' or 'are perceived to be' arrogant.....by those who don't know their subject and for want of a better word (and not their fault but it can be corrected, my ignorance was:eek:) 'ignorant'.

But these are emotive and subjective reactions in a logical discussion - they are based upon the assumption that the deliberate intention from the beginning is to snare people and mock.

Not true and I repeat, if those over-sensitive people would simply ask questions than throw out 'ignorant' statements, we wouldn't be blah-blahing this now !:eek:

At least if the 'know-all (s)' are to be wrist-smacked, tut-tut those who provoke also.
 
What the F**k. I call up this thread which started out about the NEC Classic Car show to see if there are any other pics posted up about the event and find it has been hijacked by pages of mindless bickering.

Being a relatively new Club member that is all I seem to see on this website and endless threads that start out interesting end up with people poking and prodding each other like kiddies in a playground.

It frustrates the H**l out of me and is turning me off this club quite rapidly. If you want to have a go at each other do it somewhere else and keep the talk to the subject i.e. Zs in a polite and friendly, non-condescending manner. Not all people know all there is to know about all things Z so they, like me, tune in to look at interesting conversation and learn.

Perhaps there out to be a section on the Forum entitled 'Bitchin' which people that want to have a pop can do so without ruining decent topics.
 
Usually quite like it when threads wander off topic but this one has turned out to be almost more tedious than the 'black and white' number plate one.
 
Farmer42 said:
Not all people know all there is to know about all things Z so they, like me, tune in to look at interesting conversation and learn.

Perhaps there out to be a section on the Forum entitled 'Bitchin' which people that want to have a pop can do so without ruining decent topics.
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Hiya.

a) unfortunately the people to tune into are the very ones accused of stirring it up although despite it all being stirred up, a great amount of knowledge has once again become available to those like yourself thirsty to learn more. Maybe it's like good old fashioned medicine - tastes 'orrible but does you good ?:eek:

The IS a section.....but only for paid-up club members. Forum members have no such facility.

Look on the bright side - a lot more people have seen your thread and contents and who knows, maybe in the future this club will present a stand there - now THERE is a question to ask and a project to promote.:cool:
 
I just skim read the 'bickering' posts so I'm not entirely sure what you mean, also I don't do emoji's, so totally lost really.
 
Pete said:
I just skim read the 'bickering' posts so I'm not entirely sure what you mean, also I don't do emoji's, so totally lost really.
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I agree with you about emojis. I tend to find they are generally (but not exclusively) used by people who struggle to convey their meaning with the written word. I particularly dislike it when people write something spiteful or sarcastic, then stick a winking or smiling emoji at the end of it as though that somehow makes it all right. It doesn't. What is written remains spiteful and sarcastic.
 
RIDDLER said:
I agree with you about emojis. I tend to find they are generally (but not exclusively) used by people who struggle to convey their meaning with the written word. I particularly dislike it when people write something spiteful or sarcastic, then stick a winking or smiling emoji at the end of it as though that somehow makes it all right. It doesn't. What is written remains spiteful and sarcastic.
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You mean, like, with words and stuff?


From The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyam:

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

 
RIDDLER said:
I agree with you about emojis. I tend to find they are generally (but not exclusively) used by people who struggle to convey their meaning with the written word.
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The whole point of these is to avoid misinterpretation of the written word because we're not face to face and you can't 'hear' the tone of voice nor 'see' the facial expression.

Doesn't help at all when people have never, ever met and don't know each other at al......hence the facility to use smileys.:)

If people are now going to misinterpet the smileys - we'd better send each other brail messages which'll dramatically cut down any offence.;) (genuine winking smiley - not sarcasti).
 
Albrecht said:
You mean, like, with words and stuff?


From The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyam:

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
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Though you seem determined to continue this battle of wits, I do not like to take on a man who is unarmed. (Longstreet 1866).
 
RIDDLER said:
Though you seem determined to continue this battle of wits, I do not like to take on a man who is unarmed. (Longstreet 1866).
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Oh how is the pen mightier than the sword.

What did you enjoy about the NEC please ?

What did you not ?

What would you do better next time ,

Pardon the questions - it's been 23yrs since I've been.:eek:
 

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Albrecht said:
You mean, like, with words and stuff?


From The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyam:

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
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Not helping, still lost.

Don't judge a book by the cover, unless you cover just another.

From Never mind the ******** here's the Sex Pistols' EMI ' byJohnny Rotten
 
RIDDLER said:
Though you seem determined to continue this battle of wits, I do not like to take on a man who is unarmed. (Longstreet 1866).
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So, apparently you're happy to engage in such 'banter'?
(You might be better advised to choose somebody other than a slaver and vanquished Confederate general for bowdlerised Shakespeare quotes...)

As I said in 'that' thread (the one where you were telling us that your 260Z was "pretty much the same" as a 432, remember?) I can only judge you on what you write here.

It's something we all do. You do. Apparently you take more offence at how I converse with you - and others - than anything else. For my part, I took offence at you wilfully (and ridiculously, in my opinion) continuing to claim the comparison was valid long after having it explained to you. You seemed to get the vintage Strat vs Squier example, but not the 260Z vs 432 one. Or did you? Is the 432 thing a MacGuffin..?

Here's a suggestion: If you're so unhappy about me (or indeed anybody else), why not make a thread dedicated to that topic? Put it all out in the open. See who agrees with you, and why. Let's see if we can both all learn something from it. I'm always open to learning, how about you?
 
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