- well at least you know me nowSkiddell said:here you go again Dizzy taking things out of context
Skiddell said:Heritage "Something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition" all of this implies the past, previous, preceeding, before, prior, history.
Chapman was a genious and never given the support from Govts to dominate how he and his designs could have, both on the track and in road going car construction but why then are Lotus' behind 240Zs in the HSCC ? They're all made out of re-cycled Sainsburys' plastic bags but all that plastic would appeal to you, eh ?Skiddell said:You have taken my list and mearly updated it with current status of ownership/trading proving what?
-- not when they made the V8 Vantage or the DB5 Aston Martin bought Lagaonda for the origins of that motor and the BD 5 and 6 is a great car, especially when it rains.....and one has to cancel the wipers at exactly the right moment to return them down to the windscreen - no auto return - fabulous at that price !
-- If it wasnt for the racing pedigree of the merlin engine (all be it aero racing) we would all be wearing lederhosen and speaking with a very pronounced Bavarian accent.
-- Ever heard of the Bentley blowers, need I say more
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-- won plenty of prestigious races -- on French soil still a great looker but crap to drive - they call it a mans' car 'cos it's such a handful - not because it's any good ! Dreadful shame that the 240 is likened to it - real insult !
-- If you were to give one (Oo err ) you wouldnt complain only if it was a CV-8 ! The rest I wouldn't touch !
-- but without them the Cobra wouldnt exist - no-one impresses me with a Cobra and now with all the copies, good and bad......
-- no joke smart alec check out le Mans in 1933 or Brooklands and in 1931 at Montlhery the supercharged EX12O became the world's first 750 cc car to set records of 100 mph +, I detest MGs and all that goes with them - really - I hate'em !
---TR4, 5, 6 -- iconic Look nice (TR6 styled in Italy but again, a bag of cack to drive in the dry...in the wet, pull over and eat your packed lunch whilst waiting for better weather - yes, it will ciome, even in England !
-- or according to the Lotus website Proton but they wernt when they built the Elan, the 7 or the Esprit or the worlds first affordable mid engined car (Europa) or the worlds first fibreglass monocoque (Elite) nevermind the single seater race cars.
Skiddell said:The point I was making was that you may have lots of bouncy suspension Citroens built by maserati, a few sporty Renaults with a smattering of Bugatti but thats your lot. I just checked in the encyclopedia under "French sports cars" and guess what the answer was "bugger all"
That's just an address - Renault is a French team -argue that one ! And their engines are built just south of Paris ! And ok, a Spanish driver but not an English one and don't do the typical British one using Coulthard - he's Scottish - where are the English ? Button was...............nowhere !Russ said:Spanish driver, and check out the F1 team address (from RenaultF1.com)
- so name the worlds' best race then !Russ said:The worlds best race?? I don't think so
Don't suppose that we'll see you there then - eh ?Russ said:Also we have a local team that runs in the bike LeMans race called Phase One. Now my friend makes the wiring harnesses for the bikes, and you wouldn't (or maybe you would) believe the amount of cheating that goes on with the French just so they can win their own race. Bent officials, the lot, I wouldn't say Le Mans was the worlds best race for cars or bikes....
I'm probably inclined to agree with you re Motorcycle racing BUT WE ARE DISCUSSING CARS ! So the question still stands ? And your answer is.......?Russ said:I don't think you can have "The best race", there are so many. I'd say the Isle of Man TT or any other road racing (North West 200 etc), you can keep your track stuff, 180mph on a road with no special surface, gravel traps etc is hero stuff. I can't say the 24hour race interests me, I don't follow the cars or care. Well I paid attention the the Audi Diesel just because it's different, I want to go for the experience of driving there in the Z, bbq and wine with good company!
Have you ever been to Le Mans ?Russ said:I expect all racing is bent in some ways, but Le Mans isn't the pinnacle of motor racing in my eyes (much as I do like it, don't get me wrong I don't think it's the worst either!), but it's better than Monaco, what a joke of a circuit that is.
SeanDezart said:All in all, you have nothing new to say - you are becomming a pedantic bore, perhaps suffering from a dictionary suppository!
SeanDezart said:Earlier (S30) Zs are lighter than later ones (280/300/250 etc) - clear now ?