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Albrecht
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Gosh, you mean it was just a typo....? 
You only need half a brain ( or less... ) to participate in a "Porsche is shi*t", GT-R is brilliant" / " GT-R is sh*t, Porsche is brilliant" / Porsche and GT-R are sh*t, BMW is brilliant" type thread.
If any or all of these cars were sh*t, then the said manufacturers wouldn't even have to consider the products of their competitors. As it is ( in real life, as opposed to internet bench racing ) the three manufacturers mentioned all take the products of their competitors very seriously. Indeed, they use them as benchmarks across many different criteria.
"Made of cheese", indeed.
You only need half a brain ( or less... ) to participate in a "Porsche is shi*t", GT-R is brilliant" / " GT-R is sh*t, Porsche is brilliant" / Porsche and GT-R are sh*t, BMW is brilliant" type thread.
If any or all of these cars were sh*t, then the said manufacturers wouldn't even have to consider the products of their competitors. As it is ( in real life, as opposed to internet bench racing ) the three manufacturers mentioned all take the products of their competitors very seriously. Indeed, they use them as benchmarks across many different criteria.
"Made of cheese", indeed.
zedhead260
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Mr HollowPoint
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Your invitation to the 'school for the socially inept, tactless and most insulting keyboard warriors' is in the post.
My old MD had a new GTR, he had to replace the screen 3 times in a year, they seem to be very weak for some reason, he also had constant engine management issues that had to be resolved by a 'specialist' each time, the engine turned the oil to jelly on one spirited run without warning, etc. etc. etc. The chairman of the company had an Aston DB9 and the only running costs he really had (Apart from the ridiculous size tyres and Aston service costs) were the speeding points he gained all the time.
Albrecht
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It's a fully lower case school, I see.
I hope you put more than a second class stamp on that invitation, as it would be a shame for it to turn up as late as your post on this thread did. Mind you, Wikipedia was closed all day yesterday wasn't it?
DumDumBullet said:
LOL. What ( another ) load of old cobblers! Your old MD had three windscreen replacements on his "new GTR", eh? Should have had CCTV in the company car park. This is of course a known and acknowledged problem with the GT-R, isn't it ( no? ).
You don't even say what model of GT-R it was when it was "new". So what was it? Which particular model of GT-R had windscreen pillars made of jelly then? Or was it cheese?
Oil turning to "jelly" ( what flavour? ) and "engine management issues" ( his particular EMS was unique then? ). Poor guy. Still, it could have been worse - he could have been lumbered with a Z32.
Nice going to drag a DB9 into the conversation too. Same price sector as the GT-R of course. Oh, hang on.....
datsfun
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Could it be that the MD drove like a tool all the time and the Chairman was rather lets say elderly and hence drove rather sensibly??...thats my experience of UK Plc btw, where MD's are generally aggressive and chairmen tend to rather laid back in all aspects of life ...
Maybe your MD had a lemon of a GT-R? I mean at my work we had two senior executives one with a M5 and the other had 911. Same sort of mileage profile yet the M5 kept on going back for repairs and other misc faults. In the end, the leasing co replaced it with another and replacement M5 has been faultless
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SeanDezart
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They've just done a comparison here between a enw GT-R and...a gullwing 6.2 litre Merc !
What happended to the days of comparing like-priced cars together ?
And let's not forget the car stereo-typed owner and profile attached to each model - I see some right stuffy ar*sed plonkers in German cars over here or is it different your side of the water ?
What happended to the days of comparing like-priced cars together ?
And let's not forget the car stereo-typed owner and profile attached to each model - I see some right stuffy ar*sed plonkers in German cars over here or is it different your side of the water ?
Albrecht
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Christ, look at that. Whatever affliction 'red baron' has got, it's contagious.
vpulsar said:
I'm still learning how to be thoroughly unpleasant all the time. I'm sure I'll get the hang of it eventually.
SeanDezart
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Virus ?..........or a stupid French keyboard layout and a complete refusal to use spell-check for every bl*ody word.
Can't help thinking of a famous line in Good Morning Vietnam when Mr Williams speaks of the company sergeant to the Colonel................
Mr HollowPoint
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I wouldn't waste the cost of a first class stamp on you Albrecht tbh. Yes, lower case school, you can draw your own conclusions
The car was sat right outside the IT departments window, we spent quite a lot of our time looking at it, so it wasn't being done in the car park, not unless it was by Harry Potter. Usually, he'd been going round a bend hard and ....... crack!
R35 GTR of course, what more would you like to know? Who makes it perhaps?
Yes oil to jelly, I note you don't know enough about mechanics to even broach that subject other than to throw your nose in the air and shout 'not likely', with absolutely no substance to back it up, oh wait, no substance..........hmmmmm.
You use Wikipedia? SERIOUSLY? All is explained!
Could it be that the MD drove like a tool all the time and the Chairman was rather lets say elderly and hence drove rather sensibly??...thats my experience of UK Plc btw, where MD's are generally aggressive and chairmen tend to rather laid back in all aspects of life ...
Maybe your MD had a lemon of a GT-R? I mean at my work we had two senior executives one with a M5 and the other had 911. Same sort of mileage profile yet the M5 kept on going back for repairs and other misc faults. In the end, the leasing co replaced it with another and replacement M5 has been faultless
Nope, note the end of my last sentence about the chairman, 'speeding tickets'. The chairman used to be the MD, before he bought a football club and decided he wanted to spend less time at the company, so he elevated himself to chairman and promoted the former Operations Director to MD. He has a race licence from his younger years and still enjoys the car properly, if you get my 'drift'.
No you're not, you always knew how to be thoroughly unpleasant, you also know exactly how to be a slimey little keyboard warrior with no real personality, what you're learning to do, is to try and do it subtly enough not to just get a permanent ban for being a dick-head.
Albrecht
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It's OK, I know a little bit about the R35 GT-R and the company that makes it.
HollowPoint said:
Substance? Where's the substance to back up these stories of yours? It all sounds like third hand water cooler story exaggeration to me. If a significant amount of R35s had been suffering such woes ( cf the hugely exaggerated "Chocolate Gearbox" stories soon after debut ) then I think we'd hear a lot more about them. So where's the evidence? What Nissan dealer did he buy his car from? Shall we dig a little deeper?
There's been more sh*t chatted about the R35 than just about any car I can remember in recent years. Much of it is tenth-hand garbage from people who have never even sat in one ( cue the "Playstation on wheels" / "It drives itself" type quotes ), so I find it hard to take your stories seriously. How about relating why the oil turned to "jelly" in that engine ( Clue: You're relating effect, so tell us the root cause. What was the fault? ) or the cause - and cure(?) - of the cracking windscreens?
Would you like to come over to the gtr.co.uk forum to discuss these incidents with some current R35 owners? Or how about the Pistonheads forum? You might need a tin of Birds custard handy though....
HollowPoint said:
'Spoken' like a fellow keyboard warrior. It's probably a good plan to make this thread all about me (
) if it means you can avoid adding any substance to your stories. Personally speaking, I think it benefits the forum to pour a little scorn on obviously tall stories, to take spelling and grammar seriously and cut down on incidences of the "Porsche is sh*t" / "Nissan is sh*t" type banter which makes us all look like fools.
Mr HollowPoint
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It's OK, I know a little bit about the R35 GT-R and the company that makes it.
Substance? Where's the substance to back up these stories of yours? It all sounds like third hand water cooler story exaggeration to me. If a significant amount of R35s had been suffering such woes ( cf the hugely exaggerated "Chocolate Gearbox" stories soon after debut ) then I think we'd hear a lot more about them. So where's the evidence? What Nissan dealer did he buy his car from? Shall we dig a little deeper?
There's been more sh*t chatted about the R35 than just about any car I can remember in recent years. Much of it is tenth-hand garbage from people who have never even sat in one ( cue the "Playstation on wheels" / "It drives itself" type quotes ), so I find it hard to take your stories seriously. How about relating why the oil turned to "jelly" in that engine ( Clue: You're relating effect, so tell us the root cause. What was the fault? ) or the cause - and cure(?) - of the cracking windscreens?
Would you like to come over to the gtr.co.uk forum to discuss these incidents with some current R35 owners? Or how about the Pistonheads forum? You might need a tin of Birds custard handy though....
'Spoken' like a fellow keyboard warrior. It's probably a good plan to make this thread all about me (
I've been in a few R35s, including the one I was referring to in my water-cooler story. I didn't suggest they all suffer from it, I simply added a story to the topic, nothing more. I don't know much about the chocolate gearbox stories, but I was an R32 GTR owner once upon a time, as well as an avid skyline/GTR nutball and am still a member of both gtr.co.uk and skylineowners.com thanks
The oil turned to jelly because of it being driven hard and the oil cooler and engine management systems, both failed at their jobs. Thus, the oil exceeded it's maximum temperature and pressure and turned to jelly. This shouldn't happen in a production super car. Being an ex GTR owner, I know a fair few R35 owners, some have had problems, others haven't, I can say much the same thing about most cars, including the Z32 tbh.
I unfortunately, am not a keyboard warrior, I'll just as happily have an argument with you face to face as behind the keyboard, most people who know me well will testify to that. You suggest you're pouring scorn on 'obviously tall stories', but in fact you're not, you're simply throwing a tantrum, because someone told a true story about a car. You have no idea whether the story is true or false, yet you see it as a tall story none the less. That's a pretty sad way to live your life IMHO, I try to live by 'everybody lies, but most tell the truth, at least most of the time'. This way, I get to learn about new things, rather than just ignore them as 'tall stories', yet I'm then not disappointed, if and when I find out that there are half truths, or out and out lies in the story.
As for your spelling and grammar nazi-ism, that's your call of course, but combine that with your insistence that everyone else is wrong, because you said so and the fact that you put your points across, with the eloquence of a whacking stick, makes your very correct opinion, that calling a brand of cars 'sh*t' in a blanket way is stupid and makes people look foolish, rather redundant and instead, simply makes you look immature, poorly educated and like you're desperately in need of a blow job.
Albrecht
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Now that we've got your personal fantasies out of the way, can we clear up the questions hanging over the stories you have related to us with regard to this particular R35?
Again - what Nissan dealer in the UK supplied this car, what were the root causes of the faults, what was done about the faults ( I presume it was still under warranty? ) and what happened to the car in the end? Was the engine replaced after overheating and running with 'jellied' oil? Was the root cause of the windscreen problem solved?
I don't recall hearing about any similar problems on other R35s, and certainly not any 'repeat offenders' ( three windscreen replacements...!? ), so I'm wondering what was so special about this particular car. Why isn't it famous?
The problems you describe would prompt investigation into design, engineering and production faults. Where are the other similar cases? Are you implying that all R35s carry these same design and/or engineering faults, or that this car was some kind of individual one-off lemon?
Should be fairly easy for you to flesh out these stories with some more specific details, I think. How about it?
Mr HollowPoint
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I have no idea which dealership, probably one in Yorkshire though, potentially even Doncaster.
Root cause of the Engine Management issues? God knows, I don't own the car and am not a Nissan technician. As an upper level manager I was close to the MD, but not THAT close that I got all the intimate details.
The engine was overhauled after the jellied oil I believe, rather than replaced. I'm relatively sure he didn't get a new engine out of it, but wouldn't swear to it.
As for the windscreen, I honestly couldn't tell you that either, again, I don't work for Nissan in the recalls or faults department, I'm not a Nissan technician and I don't own the car, so in all honesty, I couldn't care less, lol.
I haven't once implied that all R35s carry the same fault, in fact I've even gone as far as to state that prior to this post.
The car isn't famous, because he's the MD for a major insurance company, not particularly web-centric, isn't a member of GTROC and Nissan just came and fixed it every time. I suspect strongly that his particular car was a lemon, however I have heard other R35 owners complain about EMS issues and windscreen cracks.
Root cause of the Engine Management issues? God knows, I don't own the car and am not a Nissan technician. As an upper level manager I was close to the MD, but not THAT close that I got all the intimate details.
The engine was overhauled after the jellied oil I believe, rather than replaced. I'm relatively sure he didn't get a new engine out of it, but wouldn't swear to it.
As for the windscreen, I honestly couldn't tell you that either, again, I don't work for Nissan in the recalls or faults department, I'm not a Nissan technician and I don't own the car, so in all honesty, I couldn't care less, lol.
I haven't once implied that all R35s carry the same fault, in fact I've even gone as far as to state that prior to this post.
The car isn't famous, because he's the MD for a major insurance company, not particularly web-centric, isn't a member of GTROC and Nissan just came and fixed it every time. I suspect strongly that his particular car was a lemon, however I have heard other R35 owners complain about EMS issues and windscreen cracks.
SeanDezart
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It IS however brief mentions (in the past in books and magazine articles and now) on internet where traces remain that myths and bad publicity is diffused so we 'should' be careful before quoting stories and at least be prepared to back them up with a reliable source.
Things happen, it's good that there is transparency but 'I heard it from a mate who knows someone whos' boss had a problem' doesn't stick....unlike jelly which sometimes can.
I think if both of you stepped back and actually read between the lines, this thread could be constructive !
My god, I'm beginning to sound like Mr Gaskin - it IS contaigious !
Things happen, it's good that there is transparency but 'I heard it from a mate who knows someone whos' boss had a problem' doesn't stick....unlike jelly which sometimes can.
I think if both of you stepped back and actually read between the lines, this thread could be constructive !
My god, I'm beginning to sound like Mr Gaskin - it IS contaigious !
Mr HollowPoint
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lmao, well said on most of that Sean it has to be said. All things being equal I'd still have one lol.
SeanDezart
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Not me, give me an R32 any day !
Been in a new GT-R in the hands of a trained Nissan race driver at Le Mans and to really have fun in one, you have to be so much on the limit I'd call it more of a de-tuned race car. I'd prefer to be on the limit at lower speeds and I've enjoyed an R32 at Barcelona - more work, more return....like my S30.
New GT-R - fantastic car but so much above the capacity of the average buyer............just like any supercar and super price !
Mso GT-Rs I've seen are dribbling along at 120 km/h on the M-ways, driven by 50-something businessmen.
Been in a new GT-R in the hands of a trained Nissan race driver at Le Mans and to really have fun in one, you have to be so much on the limit I'd call it more of a de-tuned race car. I'd prefer to be on the limit at lower speeds and I've enjoyed an R32 at Barcelona - more work, more return....like my S30.
New GT-R - fantastic car but so much above the capacity of the average buyer............just like any supercar and super price !
Mso GT-Rs I've seen are dribbling along at 120 km/h on the M-ways, driven by 50-something businessmen.
Mr HollowPoint
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Yeah I'd have my old (Or any good condition one) R32 GTR back any day. I miss it considerably if I'm honest, but I do love my Z32 too.