Complete nonsense I'm afraid.
I have 8 seasons of racing under my belt with these tyres and, every one of witch had a wet race at some point. I also drove too and from the curcuits in all weathers up and down the country. These tyres are superb in the wet due to there soft compound and overall design. Of course I wouldn't recomend you drive at 100mph in standing water as the tread depth is less than an average road tyre, as would be a worn (But still Legal) set of chinese ditch finders. It's these tyres that will fall foul of the European legislators if they don't pass the minimum safety/noise/enviromental standards soon to be introduced.
Bunch of wusses ! R888s are fantastic - just point straight, lift off the loud pedal and cross your heart with BIG surface water.
TR1s are the better road tyre as an all-rounder - you pays your money......
Guys
I think you’re missing the point. All tyres are a compromise one way or the other.
The performance Bias will vary towards Price/road or track performance. You can’t just say that all track tyres are dangerous on the road and should be banned because you don’t want to use them. That’s just ridiculous.
All manufacturers and suppliers will always cover their ar ses of course against lawsuits, that’s just common sense.
There has always been paranoia about this type of tyre. All I can say is go and try them for yourself before you pass judgment without the experience to back it up.
no i will not retract my statement. it clearly says I PERSONALLY AGREE! IF YOU DON'T THINK I SHOULD HAVE A PERSONAL OPINION TOUGH!Originally Posted by amocrace
strange then that having talked to Toyo technical this week i have just bit the bullet and on their recommendations ordered some R1R's for use where there is standing water!! but maybe Racer knows better than the manufacturers of said tyres. At Spa my car pulls 160mph+ along the Kemmel straight and there is often standing water. i did ask the question about using the wet SG compound on R888 as opposed to the usual GG but followed their recommendations and ordered R1R
Of course I don’t claim to know more better than the Toyo technical department. If you ask them witch of these tyres is better in standing water then, of course they will say the R1R.
It is after all the more road bias tyre out of the two. There own marketing says it’s for performance road driving.
Your car must be very powerful to pull 160 down any straight at Spa. I would be genuinely interested to know the spec, but I don’t think I would do 160 down any straight with standing water on it
Regardless of which tyre I had fitted.
I refer you to your original quote
Originally Posted by amocrace
there are also discussions going on to make 'improved' sports tyres i.e. Toyo r888, yoko ao48 etc illegal for road use. i personally agree with this because this type of tyre and standing water is an instant recipe for aquaplaning and chucking the car off the road.
Why would you agree with this when it is clearly not the case that these tyres are dangerous in standing water? As long as you don’t do 160 mph of course.
Please could you retract this statement as it’s not helpful to people who are considering purchasing this type of tyre to have fun with.
Ok that's fine. Just as long as we know that your opinions are just that and, are not based upon any personal experiences or facts.
Umm the debate isnt which is the better road tyre R888 or T1R .
The initial comments revolved around stretched tyres and their safety on road cars and the thread has evolved into what about using trackday tyres on road cars and safety ?
In heavy rain I drive slowly - and that's the issue, we all should of course but lots of folks just think modern cars will grip in any conditions at any speed. Therefore I assume tyre manufactures and distributors have to advise not to use them on the road.
Ok that's fine. Just as long as we know that your opinions are just that and, are not based upon any personal experiences or facts.
amocrace said:well you would know if you read the post! It would appear that the tyre manufacturers are in agreement with my views, but as i stated in a previous post you seem to know better. It is my personal experience that they are useless in STANDING water especially on night stages when it is nigh on impossible to see when wet surface becomes standing water.
amocrace said:there are also discussions going on to make 'improved' sports tyres i.e. Toyo r888, yoko ao48 etc illegal for road use. i personally agree with this because this type of tyre and standing water is an instant recipe for aquaplaning and chucking the car off the road.
As for the red car posted at the start of this thread I think it’s alright it's not to my taste but at least he's built a zed to his personal style and desired spec and appears to be getting out there and enjoying it as opposed to nit picking other peoples cars on the internet.
Because to say these tyres should be made illegal is a slap in the face to me and, all the other track lovers including some on this Forum.?
I can justify my view by the experiences that I and others on this forum have already explained to you.
If tyre manufacturers thought these tyres are dangerous for the road and should be made illegal as you do. Then they wouldn’t “spend millions to develop them” would they?