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Speedhunters S30 car feature

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by morbias, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. andrew muir

    andrew muir
    Z Club Member

    I have to agree with Rob
    Also if the guy wasn't interested in the handling, why bother with the coilovers and adjustable camber plates???
    And that oil cooler!!:lol:
    The last pic says it all, just plain ugly ugly, looks like the old girls trying to take a dump!!:rofl:
    "Comedy cars" like this hardly do the s30 justice and enhance the marque.
    I am all for modifying the cars to make them perform and handle better, but a little taste would be nice.
  2. richiep

    Z Club Member

    This car was a cover feature in Banzai a while back. It's undergone some changes since then, most particularly the wheels. I think it looked far better as it was, with larger diameter Centerline wheels. I still don't get this whole "stance"/bizarre wheel vanity and ultra lowering thing though - and that's from someone occasionally accused of being focused on "show" over "go" (although my car can hold its own against most S30s out there in the "go" stakes thank you very much :p):


    Still, this car is infinitely preferable to that idiotic shakotan 240z in the Z. Try using this on UK roads...

  3. Throttleton

    Throttleton Well-Known Forum User

    Hold your horses datsfun....
    I wasn't commenting on the 'stretched' look. I was merely asking if it was possible to put an undersized tyre on a rim that wide.....I really had no idea you could.....
    My only thoughts were that the tyre manufactures have spent millions upon millions trying to perfect the the right tyre/rim combination for safety for road use. The side walls of a car tyre are designed to work to the best of their abilities on the right rim. Should anyone who hasn't spent all the development costs decide to stretch the tyre beyond any manufactures recommendation then I am guessing that they are guessing. You kind of have to stick to the guidelines if you want to drive it on the road IMO...Drifting on the track is fine as no one else is involved...
  4. SeanDezart

    Z Club Member
    Official Trader

    I like the shokotan look - (much less pretentious)...........except for the bog chain hanging off the back:lol: !
  5. Rob Gaskin

    Rob Gaskin Treasurer Staff Member Moderator

    Datsfun, let me explain my comments better:

    I say some aspects of the car are stupid because there are modifications which will make the car worse from a driving perspective and yet I assume the owner is trying to give the impression that the car is sporty. I don't say it's stupid just because I don't like it. I would be embarrassed to drive a car like that which would handle worse than a standard rep-mobile.

    I'm not a fan of those rear arches on 'Dale's' car either but at least they are covering wide tyres which wouldn't fit under standard arches. It also has more clearance.

    My comment about my car was not that some young people don't understand track cars (far from it) it's that my car is a bit tatty and I don't have any 'fancy' bits on it that are considered to be necessary these days e.g. webbers, aluminium rad, aluminium oil catch-tank etc. So to them it would be unattractive (as it is to my lads and many of my Datsun mates no doubt). The same as the 'speedhunters' car is unattractive to me. So I'm accepting that there are different tastes.

    I do like other people's cars of course - I went to Spa with Terry Taylor and his car not only looks lovely but performs well. Terry's car is very standard 'suspension-wise' too.

    I'm not going to explain myself anymore I hope you understand my comments now.
  6. amocrace

    amocrace Well-Known Forum User

    i race and rally on Toyo r888 and they will work in the wet, if at a reasonable temperature, but are horrendous in standing water. my impression of Bambi on ice cost me around £2000 when my speed and grip outweighed my talent. PERSONALLY would not dream of running on a road car in the UK.maybe fine in Arizona!
  7. racer

    Z Club Member

    Complete nonsense I'm afraid.
    I have 8 seasons of racing under my belt with these tyres and, every one of witch had a wet race at some point. I also drove too and from the curcuits in all weathers up and down the country. These tyres are superb in the wet due to there soft compound and overall design. Of course I wouldn't recomend you drive at 100mph in standing water as the tread depth is less than an average road tyre, as would be a worn (But still Legal) set of chinese ditch finders. It's these tyres that will fall foul of the European legislators if they don't pass the minimum safety/noise/enviromental standards soon to be introduced.

    So how do any of us know how this car with it's stretched tyres handles? Have any of you driven it? Personally I think it looks daft, but who knows maybe the suspension is top notch stuff and therefore handles better than a standard car with a worn out 40 year old set up? As for suspension travel who says you need that much. I've recently been to spa and back in a 240 that has about an inch of travel if that but handles superbly on the road and track. I think many comments about peoples cars are made on this site with very little evidence to back them up.
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  8. amocrace

    amocrace Well-Known Forum User

    strange then that having talked to Toyo technical this week i have just bit the bullet and on their recommendations ordered some R1R's for use where there is standing water!! but maybe Racer knows better than the manufacturers of said tyres. At Spa my car pulls 160mph+ along the Kemmel straight and there is often standing water. i did ask the question about using the wet SG compound on R888 as opposed to the usual GG but followed their recommendations and ordered R1R
  9. franky

    franky Well-Known Forum User

    I've had R1R's on a nippy car before and to say they cost less/had 1.0mm more tread than r888's they didn't seem to offer any less outright grip and worked like a normal road tyre in the wet.

    Good choice:thumbs:
  10. johnymd

    Z Club Member

    Having changed from michelin pilot sport cups (as used on some factory cars) to r888's, I find them chalk and cheese in the wet. The michelins were diabolical in the wet and the 888's superb by comparison. I have done a fair bit of wet driving with the new tyre but I'm very careful with regard to standing water. I've yet to have a problem or loose traction. I don't have much experience with these tyre but have never found their limits. I try to drive well within the limits of the car in general.

    Back to the original car though. It is a car that is trying to push boundaries and as such will not appeal to all. It's not trying to. This look I's supposed to make you think "that's not drivable" and I think he's reaching his goals. Personall, I don't like the car but can appreciate what he has done. It would be sad if we all liked the same thing. The builder may take the comment "stupid"as a compliment. He's not tring to fit in.
  11. Throttleton

    Throttleton Well-Known Forum User

    We have drifted (yeah pun intended) from datfuns point about the the tyre being stretched.
    The question of styling on this car is open to debate and rightly so. Some like some don't like that's all cool.
    My point was are you making the car less safe on the road stretching the tyres to that extreme?
    I guess yes......
  12. bigblock

    bigblock Well-Known Forum User

    On the subject of tyres,could it be the case the ultimate tread patterns have long ago been achieved and the tyre companies just keep shuffling around the many computer permutations/artwork?(but achieving the same performance) of tread pattern to satisfy brand loyalty/fashion sales and owner perceived advantages.And maybe is it just tyre compound/construction that advances are made in?.As for handling of stretched tyres imo slight tilting in of sidewall may give advantages/tuning for individual drivers but extreme angles of sidewall inclination would give firmer ride, less feedback warning of the tyre breaking away and easier to bring in or out of a power slides for show, maybe.Here's my daily driver:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:, (not really):)saves paying for grooving and an aa tyre thing attachment for those with insomnia.

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  13. Throttleton

    Throttleton Well-Known Forum User

    I think bigblock you have a unique perspective on stretched tyres (I don't think I have ever seen tyres like that on a road car) as you are running them and have been accustomed to how they work for you.
    You have a genuine case to put forward for sure as you are using them for real.
    I still say have millions been spent in development for that set up in your road car for every eventuality?? The answer is no obviously so there are parameters yours and our wallets cannot 'stretch' to (like that !)
    Having said that we all ignore the instructions on how to best climb up a ladder:D
  14. Dale

    Z Club Member

    Found this on Firestone's website...

  15. bigblock

    bigblock Well-Known Forum User

    Have i/you misinterpreted your/my post throttleton or are you being sarcy as well:rofl: that car pic was one i grabbed off net to take the p*** out of the many extreme ones, there were worse ones on google images,i wouldn't be seen dead in that :( or maybe found dead in it lol.(Unique perspective)!******* hell i like breaking the mould but come on,i try and do it with some prior educated knowledge, you've hurt my feelings and my 2 foot thick skin:rofl::rofl::rofl:
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  16. Throttleton

    Throttleton Well-Known Forum User

    Yeah bigblock I was trying to be funny/intellectual/and a *** ............I'll get my coat.........
    Internet humour.................It works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't:rolleyes:
  17. Dale

    Z Club Member

    And from Yokohama...

  18. bigblock

    bigblock Well-Known Forum User

    The idea of being associated with that stretched tyre attach caused unthinking retaliation:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:right,got to hand laptop back now.
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  19. racer

    Z Club Member

    Of course I don’t claim to know more better than the Toyo technical department. If you ask them witch of these tyres is better in standing water then, of course they will say the R1R.
    It is after all the more road bias tyre out of the two. There own marketing says it’s for performance road driving.
    Your car must be very powerful to pull 160 down any straight at Spa. I would be genuinely interested to know the spec, but I don’t think I would do 160 down any straight with standing water on it
    Regardless of which tyre I had fitted.

    I refer you to your original quote

    Why would you agree with this when it is clearly not the case that these tyres are dangerous in standing water? As long as you don’t do 160 mph of course.
    Please could you retract this statement as it’s not helpful to people who are considering purchasing this type of tyre to have fun with.
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  20. Dale

    Z Club Member

    I'm on a bit of a quoting marathon here, but here is a quote from Toyo's own sales brochure about the R888's...

    And from Demon Tweaks website...

    I don't have any experience with these particular Toyos, but driving home from Manchester yesterday, I was caught in some quite horrendous rain to the point that parts of the carriageway was like a river. I would not have liked to have been driving on R888's.

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