Mike, I'm sure this answer is too simple but your 'car' number and engine number should be on a plate on the inner wing.
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Mike, I'm sure this answer is too simple but your 'car' number and engine number should be on a plate on the inner wing.
Dale
Club Member
No of course not, as it depends on what the damage is and what is required to fix it. Would I still feel it is the same car? If its not re-shelled then I'd say probably yes.
Could this be fixed without re-shelling it?
But why re-shell anyway? I'd just import a solid US car and swap any parts from mine that was better than on the imported car and sell the rest!
Throttleton
Well-Known Forum User
Ha Ha!.
I've laughed my head off at that pic (defo no sarcasm)
It looks like the classic 'he wrapped it round a lamppost'.
I think some owners want to keep the/a uk title for a variety of reasons,
some just want to because they want to.
Some may have road legal race cars they crash and repair and want to keep the uk title
and it appears there is a market for Converting usa shells to r/h drive bulkheads with the buyers knowledge and that is what they want.
Dunno why but it happens so we can't just say it doesn't happen or it's wrong can we?
I've laughed my head off at that pic (defo no sarcasm)
It looks like the classic 'he wrapped it round a lamppost'.
I think some owners want to keep the/a uk title for a variety of reasons,
some just want to because they want to.
Some may have road legal race cars they crash and repair and want to keep the uk title
and it appears there is a market for Converting usa shells to r/h drive bulkheads with the buyers knowledge and that is what they want.
Dunno why but it happens so we can't just say it doesn't happen or it's wrong can we?
Dale
Club Member
The fluffy dice must have distracted him,
.Are we on topic on this thread by the way? Was there a question in the first post?
To be economically worth taking the risk you would need a cheap car i.e. basic spec, dull paint, knackered rubber etc.
You would then strip it, repair it, convert it, paint it and fit RHD dash, rack etc Then lights, gbox, diff, suspension etc. Whats left?
OR you could buy the nice original Auto I saw on ebay last week for £8k, get it sorted for about £2-3k? But you've still got a LHD Auto in need of a respray that you've paid a minimum of £10k for.
Anyway I've noticed that the guys who know the answers to all these questions are keeping quiet!
tel240z
Club Member
Is that right Rob :lol:I have tried to resist but the phrase ''clutching at straws'' comes to mind
1 You cannot change the identity of a shell once it has had a number assigned to it
2 You have to use a new shell from a dealer with a blank area where the number would be and have it stamped in the presense of an dvla official with the reciept to hand (although this rarley happens great for the next car thief though)
3 All this is loose teritory
right i'm off to finish welding my second hand car body panels to the floor pan on my escort mk 1, the only bit thats not rusty is the bit around the chassis number result Oh there was a pettition some time ago for pre 73 cars to allow reshelling with another shell and keeping the ID of the doner don't think it worked though
You may have a chance of keeping the identity when reshelling if your car it is extremely rare and worth millions there is a route
Mr.F
Inactive
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/reconstructed-classic-vehicles
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/vehicle-identification-number
Note that no Z Clubs are on the DVLA approved list of Classic Car Clubs...
However, I am aware that some 240Zs have been through the process, had the DVLA inspection, had the police approval and been passed as suitable to carry the original VIN of the scrapped car onto the "new" shell - presumably it was considered that sufficient components of the appropriate vintage were carried over to the reshell. Perhaps the kit car 3/5ths rule can be applied so if original engine, drivetrain and steering / suspension is carried over, then the identity is considered "proven"(?).
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/vehicle-identification-number
Note that no Z Clubs are on the DVLA approved list of Classic Car Clubs...
However, I am aware that some 240Zs have been through the process, had the DVLA inspection, had the police approval and been passed as suitable to carry the original VIN of the scrapped car onto the "new" shell - presumably it was considered that sufficient components of the appropriate vintage were carried over to the reshell. Perhaps the kit car 3/5ths rule can be applied so if original engine, drivetrain and steering / suspension is carried over, then the identity is considered "proven"(?).
Terry I don't understand your comment 'Is that right Rob :lol:I have tried to resist but the phrase ''clutching at straws'' comes to mind' Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. Dale said 'why reshell instead of just getting another car' My comment was that to import a really good US car that would need minimum work would be an expensive risk especially when you consider what you would want to do with it anyway for use in the UK. It's less of a risk to import a cheap car purely for it's body. Who is clutching at straws - I don't follow? And then I said that the guys who know the answers best were keeping quiet, i.e. those who have imported cars - I haven't.
1 You cannot change the identity of a shell once it has had a number assigned to it. This is what we've been saying and most of the Thread is about. However Z-spec says they can in Holland
2 You have to use a new shell from a dealer with a blank area where the number would be and have it stamped in the presense of an dvla official with the reciept to hand (although this rarley happens great for the next car thief though) OK that just reinforces the statement above
3 All this is loose teritory right i'm off to finish welding my second hand car body panels to the floor pan on my escort mk 1, the only bit thats not rusty is the bit around the chassis number result Exactly, as I have said it's amazing what is accepted and done in the Classic world.
Look at this car and consider the stigma it has with damage 'recorded'. Then think about what goes on in the Classic world.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NISSAN-37...6242208?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a2ac5f2a0
1 You cannot change the identity of a shell once it has had a number assigned to it. This is what we've been saying and most of the Thread is about. However Z-spec says they can in Holland
2 You have to use a new shell from a dealer with a blank area where the number would be and have it stamped in the presense of an dvla official with the reciept to hand (although this rarley happens great for the next car thief though) OK that just reinforces the statement above
3 All this is loose teritory
right i'm off to finish welding my second hand car body panels to the floor pan on my escort mk 1, the only bit thats not rusty is the bit around the chassis number result Exactly, as I have said it's amazing what is accepted and done in the Classic world. Look at this car and consider the stigma it has with damage 'recorded'. Then think about what goes on in the Classic world.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NISSAN-37...6242208?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a2ac5f2a0
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If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must have Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) or Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) (see section 11). A ‘Q’ registration number will then be issued (see section 7).
Throttleton
Well-Known Forum User
, Moggy this is the info you sent me.
If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist
kit manufacturer (or an altered chassis or bodyshell
from an existing vehicle) is used with two original major
components from the donor vehicle, a replacement
registration number will be issued based on the age of the
donor vehicle. The vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA.
The date of manufacture for the vehicle will be taken from
the IVA, SVA or MSVA certificate
and.............
The reconstructed classic category is intended to
support the restoration of unregistered classic vehicles.
Reconstructed vehicles must comprise of genuine
period components all over 25 years old, and of the
same specification. The appropriate vehicle enthusiasts
club for the marque (make) must confirm in writing that
following inspection, they authenticate that the vehicle
is a true reflection of that marque and that it meets the
above criteria. This written confirmation must support an
application to the local office. An age related registration
number will be issued based on the age of the youngest
component used.
Neither need to go on a q plate....................
If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist
kit manufacturer (or an altered chassis or bodyshell
from an existing vehicle) is used with two original major
components from the donor vehicle, a replacement
registration number will be issued based on the age of the
donor vehicle. The vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA.
The date of manufacture for the vehicle will be taken from
the IVA, SVA or MSVA certificate
and.............
The reconstructed classic category is intended to
support the restoration of unregistered classic vehicles.
Reconstructed vehicles must comprise of genuine
period components all over 25 years old, and of the
same specification. The appropriate vehicle enthusiasts
club for the marque (make) must confirm in writing that
following inspection, they authenticate that the vehicle
is a true reflection of that marque and that it meets the
above criteria. This written confirmation must support an
application to the local office. An age related registration
number will be issued based on the age of the youngest
component used.
Neither need to go on a q plate....................
Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
No of course not, as it depends on what the damage is and what is required to fix it. Would I still feel it is the same car? If its not re-shelled then I'd say probably yes.
Could this be fixed without re-shelling it?
But why re-shell anyway? I'd just import a solid US car and swap any parts from mine that was better than on the imported car and sell the rest!
Maybe you could find a lampost to hit the other side?
Throttleton
Well-Known Forum User
Moggy are there many rot free 240/260 shells/cars over there??
I was there 12 yrs ago and saw a lot of early celicas in good nick but can't remember seeing any Z's
I was there 12 yrs ago and saw a lot of early celicas in good nick but can't remember seeing any Z's
andrew muir
Club Member
Yep I speak to my father in law every other day and being an ex s30 ownere he is always looking for them. They are very rare now and the 2+2's were the most common ones that were imported. The Thing with Oz is that most people live near or on the coast so they can rust almost as bad as here.
When I was living in Oz I only remember seeing a couple when down at the Phillip Island Classic.
When I was living in Oz I only remember seeing a couple when down at the Phillip Island Classic.
Thanks Terry.
My personal concern is that the whole topic of modifications to cars is a massive and complex issue and the more car clubs ask the questions the more we might get the decision by government that no mods/changes are allowed to cars. Like Germany.
To sort this out 'officially' would involve thorough inspection and testing of 'changed' cars. The MoT test is not thorough enough and not performed consistently enough to cover mods.
Many people like yourself have the knowledge, facilities and common sense to do a good job but many don't. However with respect even people with the skill should not be the judge of their own cars.
The DVLA appear to recognise the part Owner Clubs play in the identification and legality of Classic cars. Perhaps one answer would be for Clubs to have the power to monitor and control the situation with DVLA sanctioned technical experts? We pay a higher membership fee and pay the expert (someone like you Terry) to inspect it's member's cars?
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Throttleton
Well-Known Forum User
Rob that's exactly what the SVA system does.
The rules are less daunting than you would imagine and it only costs a few hundred quid.
A pain I know but you get a fully checked car and total legality...........
Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
Would it not need an IVA?
Yes good point but who goes through an SVA test and would it discover a changed bulkhead?
Have the Hybrid lads on here had an SVA test?
My point is if we don't control ourselves and by 'we' I mean Classic car clubs then we might get legislation anyway.
However 'Joe Public' putting stupid unsafe mods on his Corsa is another matter? Perhaps a different MoT for non-standard cars and tie it in with Insurance companies?