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Skidoffs' challenge
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Mr.F
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Yes, but don't expect any of us to take any notice of you!
Yes, you will be driving an automatic Vauxhall...
New system will allow you to score 2 points per attendance when arriving in a non-Z related vehicle. Non-Z related vehicles will not be eligible for on-track points scoring.
SeanDezart
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So it's you and your car against......you and your car ! Same thing on a circuit except the timing 'can' be more complicated to record but equally rewarding !
I like the colour of your money, even if it does have that funny head on it so yes, why not a head -to- head on a track AND a drag strip
Once more unto the breach, dear friends
Said Henry, just before kicking some derrière
Although I would say that if we have to wait for your custard car (its yellow -- go figure ) to be finished, track racing may be abolished due to the worlds entire stock of fossile fuel being depleted so we may be running on eco-friendly sustainable leaf mould.
Said Henry, just before kicking some derrière
Although I would say that if we have to wait for your custard car (its yellow -- go figure
) to be finished, track racing may be abolished due to the worlds entire stock of fossile fuel being depleted so we may be running on eco-friendly sustainable leaf mould.
SeanDezart
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But didn't you know, it's late because I stipulated that it should now run on distilled rape seed oil !
Not only will I beat you but I'll lap you when you call in for a splash and dash
Not only will I beat you but I'll lap you when you call in for a splash and dash
Albrecht
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I can't help thinking that there's a lot of as yet un-tapped potential in the UK cars when it comes to the quarter mile.......
How about 11.347 seconds, achieved back in 2000?
S30 body, 3.1 litre normal-aspiration, no computers, no carbon fibre:
How about 11.347 seconds, achieved back in 2000?
S30 body, 3.1 litre normal-aspiration, no computers, no carbon fibre:
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SeanDezart
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That's reassuring Count - thanks !
I wonder what the difference is that restricts the UK runs to 2-3 seconds off the pace ?
I wonder what the difference is that restricts the UK runs to 2-3 seconds off the pace ?
SeanDezart
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Grolls,
answers :
1) It's out there - go west young man !
2) Only you can decide as it's a matter of priorities - if you ask, then the answer is no !
3) I'll tell you when I hear 'em
answers :
1) It's out there - go west young man !
2) Only you can decide as it's a matter of priorities - if you ask, then the answer is no !
3) I'll tell you when I hear 'em
SeanDezart
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And let's not speak of air pollution.....and beer bellies !
!Bit more to it than that eh count
you should read your own books.Like access to an entire range of tuning goodies that we just cant get over here unless we pay through the nose to have them imported (import tax, shipping agents fees tralalalala) and then if it goes wrong or doesnt fit, your a little stuck to say the least.
Just looking through a magazine or two, Items such as
Exhaust manifolds (couple of pages), cams (whatever grind you like), valve springs (whatever rev and cam lift you need), valves (what exotic metal do you want), pistons (what shape, size and material do you need) state of the art head and chamber design (heads to make DJ cry with joy), inlet manifolds, head gaskets, tyres (not that these make much of a differance
).We get some of these items, but no where near the selection, quality and relative cost that those guys do.
Plus and entire machine shop and tuning culture that understands the engine, who aside from a very select few in the UK can be bothered with a single cam normally aspirated 6 pot?
You get me the items I want, Count (at UK type prices and favourable shipping rates
) and I'll run 12 seconds.Last but by no means least, one of the biggest factors is competition --- few people in the UK want to take their precious S30 onto a nasty track in case they scratch it, over there they are plain mad and do it all the time.
But you know all this dont you
BTW there are several US cars running 12's --- one definitely is on twin SU's
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SeanDezart
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I thought you were a straight line man Steve - as the Counts' references are for straight lines as are yours...... !
Culture has certainly changed over there (UK), - there was a time when everybhody risked scratching their paintwork - must explain why one so rarely sees S30s on the roads at any time !
SeanDezart
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And by track, I understand circuit - I now understand drag-strip - glad we got that sorted !
You know Steve, it's like being chairman - when you're at the top you take all sorts of flak and you are the man at the top (at the moment Pray that it lasts longer than the 15 minutes we all deserve
You know Steve, it's like being chairman - when you're at the top you take all sorts of flak and you are the man at the top (at the moment
Pray that it lasts longer than the 15 minutes we all deserve Its not about fame and fortune mate, its about trying to re-ignite some competitive spirit in a ever stagnating club scene. I just use the record as a mechanism to try and goad, cajole and persuade folks into showing how good their cars are rather than just have them talk the talk. Please don’t mistake any of my posts for anything else. Albrecht I know that on a world wide scale the efforts that the Z club make don’t even nudge the try-O-meter but there are very good reasons for that, and it certainly isn’t for a lack of passion, considering what we have to work with I think we achieve more.
zedhead260
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If it's any help you can kip over at my place the night before Sean. I live about an hours drive away from the Pod, so it's not so much of an early start.SeanDezart said:
If you're intending to run your 240z, I'll kick the Celica out into the street for the night and you can stick the Z in its garage out of sight.
zedhead260
Well-Known Forum User
The thing to realise here is that 99% of us are all building road cars, perhaps with a track day (circuit) bias.SeanDezart said:It's only because you have yet to prove your car in anything other than a straight line...
Of course; I couldn't think of anything more fun than for all of us to have a big race-off round Brands Hatch or something, but in reality this would be very silly as all our cars are (and some will be) in far too nice a condition and it would surely end in tears. So unless we all build an HSCC car, it really isn't going to happen.
Perhaps we should street race ! How about Lands End to John O'Groats ?? But what does this prove - nothing. Too much traffic, too many combinations of route, highly illegal, highly dangerous and someone would probably end up getting killed...........and then jailed.
So that leaves a staight line drag race. What does it prove ? It proves who is faster in a straight line, ok it's not the be all and end all, but we can have some form of competition from it. Best of all it's cheap at £25 including entry fee. Very very unlikely you'll scratch your car, ok something might break but it's not common place. It's a good social event too, we can promote some friendly rivalry and show others how bloody good our cars are.
So it's about the cars and the people, but above all - the fun !
Albrecht
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Er, I do actually.SKiddell said:Bit more to it than that eh count
Don't take my comments as a knock-back, as they were meant to be more of an encouragement than anything else.
"UK type prices"?SKiddell said:You get me the items I want, Count (at UK type prices and favourable shipping rates
So you want them cheaper than the Japanese wholesale price then? I think Mr Watanabe's car ( the green one ) is 'refreshingly' low-tech, if not reassuringly amateur. I'd say his engine is more a case of what he has done ( using know-how ) rather than the parts he has used. Half-filling the coolant passages of his cylinder block with epoxy and concrete slurry probably didn't cost an arm and a leg
But surely we can all see that going faster and faster ( and quicker and quicker ) means that the car gradually becomes more of a 'one trick pony'? To utilise the horsepower his engine makes, Mr W. has surely looked into the physics of drag racing - and has paid attention to issues of weight transfer and all that other stuff needed to go fast ( and quick ) on the dragstrip. None of which is going to make his car much of a performer on the circuit, or street.
Although his car is essentially 'street legal', I believe Mr W's car turns up to the races on a trailer and goes home the same way. Concrete is not a very good coolant
There must be a point where a car could be pretty quick in the quarter, quick round a race track, and able to drive there and back into the bargain. Maximising one parameter will mean compromising another, so the trick will be knowing just how far to go.......
And not forgetting the need to be looking good whilst doing all three
Thought this chart might be of interest. It's a comparison of Mr Watanabe's data ( car no.62 in the 2000 event, and car no.63 in the '99 event ) with that of his chief rival Mr Ishii ( car no.61 in 2000 & 44 in '99 ). No translation is necessary, as I think the drag racers here will understand exactly what each column means ( even if its in metric ):
