Why two pairs of number plate lights

Carl Platel

Club Member
Question: can anyone shed even more light on my over illuminated number plate which one was originally fitted on a 1972 car should I dump the the bumper lights, I was thinking of getting rid of the rubber corner protectors and getting it re chromed.
Also I took the advice got new parts from Z therapy inc. parts came with an amazing 4 hour long dvd on the carbs very helpful
I have massive improvement but still an initial lack of fuel from very low down
Could this be simply to lean or should I try thicker oil in the dash pots ?
Thanks again to everybody who’s take the time to respond genuinely would be lost without you
Happy days Carl
 

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MCBladeRun

Club Member
Well, 3 in 1 oil works ok, that's what I'm running at the moment. I've got proper stuff from Burlens when I need to give them a look.

Lack of fuel low down? Do you mean it is struggling on idle? Is it up to temperature? What's the rev's showing?

Mine runs about 1100 in idle.
 

Carl Platel

Club Member
Got new needles & jets I’ve spent many hours setting everything up tick over is actually quite nice, when I pull off however I get a lack of fuel and a pop in the exhaust but when it gets past that & going with more throttle it goes really well it’s just the transition
Cheers Carl
 

MCBladeRun

Club Member
I wonder if the needles aren't set up properly?

I blip the throttle when I pull away as mine tends to try to die if I just pull the clutch up, especially when I do it too fast.
 

Mr Tenno

Digital Officer
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Both is correct for UK delivered cars. The one over the plate is the 'original' one but then Nissan had to add the bumper ones to meet the British regulations at the time.
 

status

Well-Known Forum User
Carl get yerself a colour tune,great bit of kit for carbs,bit old school but works also air gauge,can’t go wrong
the light over the bumper is just a dummy as in uk they don’t normally work unless you wire it up
 

Farmer42

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If you are getting a pop in the exhaust, it is firing late so the timing may be retarded. Have you checked that and that your vacuum advance is working. If you are running a mech dizzy, it could also be the points and condenser. If all is well with that, you might want to check that the float levels are correct. They may have been moved during transit if the carbs came from Z-Therapy. The final thing to check is the jet needle. It needs the shoulder to sit flush with the piston body. Either way in or out can affect fuelling. As status said, get yourself a colour tune and an air flow gauge.
 

Carl Platel

Club Member
Perfect 👍 I’ll get a colour tune I’m I made recently fitted the 123 ignition system and no I’m not totally convinced it’s correct it would make sense that the timing is incorrect, I’m having an exhaust made and I found a old school rolling road chap so 🤞
Thanks for number plate clarification I should definitely keep all as is then
Thanks again
Carl
 

johnymd

Club Member
With regard to the number plate light. I believe that the one above was just a dummy light on UK cars and had nothing inside it.
 

AliK

Vehicle Dating Officer
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Club Member
Get a cheap timing light to check the timing.
I've also used it to great effect (combined with a hi viz jacket) to slow down speeders on our road! Mine in black looks exactly like a speed gun! 😎

With regard to the number plate light. I believe that the one above was just a dummy light on UK cars and had nothing inside it.
Mine had the lenses and the cut outs for the lights but no lights in it. So when I deleted the bumper ones, I just picked up the light housings off eBay and connected up the wiring.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, these are also correct for a UK car.
I wanted to stay UK correct, but given that the modern rubber is nowhere near the quality of the original items, I wish I had ordered my Harrington bumpers without them (they did send me a second set, but they too only lasted about 3 years before cracking). Unfortunately the Harrington bumpers have been scraped / roughed up at the factory behind the rubbers (can't figure out why), so without some serious machining / polishing, it's not a case of just taking them off and putting stainless bolts in the holes. Something to bear in mind if you ever order stainless steel bumpers.

If you are getting a pop in the exhaust, it is firing late so the timing may be retarded. Have you checked that and that your vacuum advance is working. If you are running a mech dizzy, it could also be the points and condenser. If all is well with that, you might want to check that the float levels are correct. They may have been moved during transit if the carbs came from Z-Therapy. The final thing to check is the jet needle. It needs the shoulder to sit flush with the piston body. Either way in or out can affect fuelling. As status said, get yourself a colour tune and an air flow gauge.

I'm with Farmer Paul here. You can't possibly install the 123 and hope it's aligned properly with TDC etc. The way I did mine (with the assumption that the crank pointer was accurate) was that I set a curve with 10degrees at every rev, set vac advance to zero and used a timing gun to validate that is what it was doing. That way you eliminate potential for "mech advance". Popping when you put your foot down is generally an over-rich backfire (due to mix, or timing or spark plug not firing - I had the not-firing issue when my Magnecore leads failed) or timing as mentioned already.

@Carl Platel ...

As for colourtune, having owned / used one. I'm not a great fan. It's probably a good tool for stock engines where the N27/N54/SM needle profiles will mean that setting up at idle takes care of other conditions, but if you have engine mods / non-stock exhaust system, then all bets are off.

Yes you can see what's happening in the cylinder with one of those, but you're only setting up the car for two out of many load conditions (namely idle and fast idle), in the hope that your tune is perfect for cruise, pickup and Wide Open Throttle (where it really matters). IMHO you should really invest in a wideband O2 sensor; which is WAY cheaper than rolling road time and you get to see what the car is doing under real driving conditions. To give you an example, you may set it up perfectly for idle / fast idle using colourtune and find when WOT, at certain revs it is too lean, which will cause audible and inaudible ping / knock.

As mentioned already, use the official SU oil - it takes the guesswork out and one less thing to worry about for peanuts. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186104053625?

Given your description, it sounds like bogging down, my advice is (as been said by others too) :

1. Validate with a timing light, the 123 setup - to ensure you are getting what you see on the app

2. Ensure all the ignition system works as it should - e.g. every plug is firing / test the leads with a multi-meter for continuity, check coil health etc. With 123, I found no end of issues with the supplied Beru caps but no issue at all with the Bosch offerings.

3. If you find the timing / ignition aren't the cause then look at the carb tune - if you are on a stock engine, with SM needles, I found 2.5 turns down on the carb jets was quite rich on an L26, so start with 1.5 turns and incrementally add more if running lean at WOT, or you find the accelerator is over sensitive / jittery when on the transition from slow cruise (town speeds) to light acceleration.

4. And seriously consider getting a Wideband sensor. I would have saved a lot of money if I had done it earlier in my ownership. My preference is Innovate, but AEM is another brand many have used: https://www.speedingparts.co.uk/p/e...nnovate-mtx-l-wideband-sensor-and-gauge.html?

Good luck and enjoy the Z - once under your skin, it never leaves you!
 
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MCBladeRun

Club Member
I've also used it to great effect (combined with a hi zi jacket) to slow down speeders on our road! Mine in black looks exactly like a speed gun! 😎


Mine had the lenses and the cut outs for the lights but no lights in it. So when I deleted the bumper ones, I just picked up the light housings off eBay and connected up the wiring.


I wanted to stay UK correct, but given that the modern rubber is nowhere near the quality of the original items, I wish I had ordered my Harrington bumpers without them (they did send me a second set, but they too only lasted about 3 years before cracking). Unfortunately the Harrington bumpers have been scraped / roughed up at the factory behind the rubbers (can't figure out why), so without some serious machining / polishing, it's not a case of just taking them off and putting stainless bolts in the holes. Something to bear in mind if you ever order stainless steel bumpers.



I'm with Farmer Paul here. You can't possibly install the 123 and hope it's aligned properly with TDC etc. The way I did mine (with the assumption that the crank pointer was accurate) was that I set a curve with 10degrees at every rev, set vac advance to zero and used a timing gun to validate that is what it was doing. That way you eliminate potential for "mech advance". Popping when you put your foot down is either over-rich backfire (due to mix, or timing or spark plug not firing - I had the firing issue when my Magnecore leads failed).

@Carl Platel ...

As for colourtune, having owned / used one. I'm not a great fan. It's probably a good tool for stock engines where the N27/N54/SM needle profiles will mean that setting up at idle takes care of other conditions, but if you have engine mods / non-stock exhaust system, then all bets are off.

Yes you can see what's happening in the cylinder with one of those, but you're only setting up the car for two out of many load conditions (namely idle and fast idle), in the hope that your tune is perfect for Wide Open Throttle (where it really matters), cruise and pickup. IMHO you should really invest in a wideband O2 sensor; which is WAY cheaper than rolling road time and you get to see what the car is doing under real driving conditions. To give you an example, you may set it up perfectly for idle / fast idle using colourtune and find when WOT, at certain revs it is too lean, which will cause audible and inaudible ping / knock.

As mentioned already, use the official SU oil - it takes the guesswork out and one less thing to worry about for peanuts. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186104053625?

Given your description, it sounds like bogging down, my advice is (as been said by others too) :

1. Check the 123 set up to ensure you are getting what you see on the app

2. Ensure all the ignition system works as it should - e.g. every plug is firing / test the leads with a multi-meter for continuity, check coil health etc. With 123, I found no end of issues with the supplied Beru caps but no issue at all with the Bosch offerings.

3. If you find the timing / ignition aren't the cause then look at the carb tune - if you are on a stock engine, with SM needles, I found 2.5 turns down on the carb jets was quite rich on an L26, so start with 1.5 turns and incrementally add more if running lean at WOT, or you find the accelerator is over sensitive / jittery when on the transition from slow cruise (town speeds) to light acceleration.

4. And seriously consider getting a Wideband sensor. I would have saved a lot of money if I had done it earlier in my ownership. My preference is Innovate, but AEM is another brand many have used: https://www.speedingparts.co.uk/p/e...nnovate-mtx-l-wideband-sensor-and-gauge.html?

Good luck and enjoy the Z - once under your skin, it never leaves you!
Sticky this 😀
 

toopy

Club Member
With regard to the number plate light. I believe that the one above was just a dummy light on UK cars and had nothing inside it.
Mine was the other way round, lights above provide illumination, and bumper lights were not connected, in fact i removed them years ago because i thought it looked odd, the holes left in the bumper somehow don't seem to offend my eye as much!
 

Carl Platel

Club Member
I've also used it to great effect (combined with a hi viz jacket) to slow down speeders on our road! Mine in black looks exactly like a speed gun! 😎


Mine had the lenses and the cut outs for the lights but no lights in it. So when I deleted the bumper ones, I just picked up the light housings off eBay and connected up the wiring.


I wanted to stay UK correct, but given that the modern rubber is nowhere near the quality of the original items, I wish I had ordered my Harrington bumpers without them (they did send me a second set, but they too only lasted about 3 years before cracking). Unfortunately the Harrington bumpers have been scraped / roughed up at the factory behind the rubbers (can't figure out why), so without some serious machining / polishing, it's not a case of just taking them off and putting stainless bolts in the holes. Something to bear in mind if you ever order stainless steel bumpers.



I'm with Farmer Paul here. You can't possibly install the 123 and hope it's aligned properly with TDC etc. The way I did mine (with the assumption that the crank pointer was accurate) was that I set a curve with 10degrees at every rev, set vac advance to zero and used a timing gun to validate that is what it was doing. That way you eliminate potential for "mech advance". Popping when you put your foot down is generally an over-rich backfire (due to mix, or timing or spark plug not firing - I had the not-firing issue when my Magnecore leads failed) or timing as mentioned already.

@Carl Platel ...

As for colourtune, having owned / used one. I'm not a great fan. It's probably a good tool for stock engines where the N27/N54/SM needle profiles will mean that setting up at idle takes care of other conditions, but if you have engine mods / non-stock exhaust system, then all bets are off.

Yes you can see what's happening in the cylinder with one of those, but you're only setting up the car for two out of many load conditions (namely idle and fast idle), in the hope that your tune is perfect for cruise, pickup and Wide Open Throttle (where it really matters). IMHO you should really invest in a wideband O2 sensor; which is WAY cheaper than rolling road time and you get to see what the car is doing under real driving conditions. To give you an example, you may set it up perfectly for idle / fast idle using colourtune and find when WOT, at certain revs it is too lean, which will cause audible and inaudible ping / knock.

As mentioned already, use the official SU oil - it takes the guesswork out and one less thing to worry about for peanuts. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186104053625?

Given your description, it sounds like bogging down, my advice is (as been said by others too) :

1. Validate with a timing light, the 123 setup - to ensure you are getting what you see on the app

2. Ensure all the ignition system works as it should - e.g. every plug is firing / test the leads with a multi-meter for continuity, check coil health etc. With 123, I found no end of issues with the supplied Beru caps but no issue at all with the Bosch offerings.

3. If you find the timing / ignition aren't the cause then look at the carb tune - if you are on a stock engine, with SM needles, I found 2.5 turns down on the carb jets was quite rich on an L26, so start with 1.5 turns and incrementally add more if running lean at WOT, or you find the accelerator is over sensitive / jittery when on the transition from slow cruise (town speeds) to light acceleration.

4. And seriously consider getting a Wideband sensor. I would have saved a lot of money if I had done it earlier in my ownership. My preference is Innovate, but AEM is another brand many have used: https://www.speedingparts.co.uk/p/e...nnovate-mtx-l-wideband-sensor-and-gauge.html?

Good luck and enjoy the Z - once under your skin, it never leaves you!
So sorry for not responding earlier Z’s been on hold a moment, having just read all the information that you’ve kindly taken the time to offer I thought the least I could do is to thank you so very much, I’d actually never heard of a wideband sensor but I’ve just ordered one, I’m back on it and will do everything on the list 🤞👍
 

AliK

Vehicle Dating Officer
Staff member
Club Member
So sorry for not responding earlier Z’s been on hold a moment, having just read all the information that you’ve kindly taken the time to offer I thought the least I could do is to thank you so very much, I’d actually never heard of a wideband sensor but I’ve just ordered one, I’m back on it and will do everything on the list 🤞👍
Don't sweat it buddy - I'm very glad you found it helpful. Looking forward to following your progress.
 
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