Ford Escort vs. 240Z

SeanDezart

SeanDezart

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https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1016747

The early '70s and in particular 1x mass-produced car manufacturer against another !

"For sale is a beautiful newly nut and bolt restored genuine RS1600 with Matching BDA engine!

This is one of approx 27 LHD cars ever built!.

They made around 900-1100 RS1600 but only a small amount of cars left the factory as left hand drive, confirmed by the owners club.

This car took delivery new to Sicily in 1972 and have lived there until 2007 when it was sold for restoration for £27k.

This RS1600 comes with complete history documentation, documentation of restoration process and many more documents like:

- Original Italian Papers
- FIA Papers
- Many invoices and documents from past which proves the originality
- Automobile Club of Italy Papers
- UK Club registration document
- UK 12 months MOT certificate

hundred photos of the car before restoration, during restoration and after restoration.

Engine

The BDA engine is a LEGEND! Car still has the matching BDA engine and was completely stripped/rebuilt with new bigger forged racing piston, bearings, oil pump, water pump, head rebuilt with new valves etc. As you probably know a BDA engine alone cost an excess of £25k."

£62000

I am not knocking this car or the price he's seeking !

What I am asking is wheter our early Zs remain desperately undervalued and therefore still a bargain for someone wanting a period car (whether for the road or not) in which to enjoy real driving sensations ?

How much are we prepared to pay for an L-engine overhaul (with perhaps a few trick bits) ?

How many cars have their arches flared (but luckily their sunroofs replaced) ?

Just summer banter - don't get personal or too serious.:chillpill:
 

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Alphabettispaghetti

Alphabettispaghetti

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imagine if a 240z had a the factory twin cam FIA type head.

Or a s20 engine.

Or a period twin cam head.

Thats what/where thevalue is in that. nothing to do with the car.


FWIW,I've driven a caterham with a BDA engine. It was lovely.
 
Albrecht

Albrecht

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SeanDezart said:
And the horse and cart suspension - great for drifts.
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Take a peep (if you dare) at the FIA homologation fiches for the Mk.I and Mk.II Escorts and the evolutions thereon. I think you'll find that "horse and cart suspension" was pretty effective once it was turreted/4-linked and equipped with a Panhard rod.

Your thread title is 'Ford Escort vs 240Z', but the Escort you cite as an example is an ultra rare RS1600 homologation variant with the sublime BDA engine, and the '240Z' is....... where and what? Do we have to guess?

Comparisons can be interesting and informative, but where's this one going? You're comparing apples with dragon fruit. If you want to big-up the '240Z' fine, but dissing other marques and models is not necessarily the right way to go about it.
 
SeanDezart

SeanDezart

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Albrecht said:
Comparisons can be interesting and informative, but where's this one going?
You're comparing apples with dragon fruit. If you want to big-up the '240Z' fine, but dissing other marques and models is not necessarily the right way to go about it.
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Not hard to follow Alan - read the end of my post :

SeanDezart said:

I am not knocking this car or the price he's seeking !

What I am asking is whether our early Zs remain desperately undervalued and therefore still a bargain for someone wanting a period car (whether for the road or not) in which to enjoy real driving sensations ?

How much are we prepared to pay for an L-engine overhaul (with perhaps a few trick bits) ?

How many cars have their arches flared (but luckily their sunroofs replaced) ?
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In fact, I'm not really wishing to discuss the Ford at all here - we're here on a Datsun Z forum.....and something to apply 'partout' is my last phrase....

Albrecht said:
Just summer banter - don't get personal or too serious.:chillpill:
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SeanDezart

SeanDezart

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Just wanna talk about Zs Alan ! cart suspension, air-cooled rear engines...they came a long way but I just can't get excited about them - sorry.
 
8658kv

8658kv

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SeanDezart said:
And the horse and cart suspension - great for drifts.
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Morning Sean

next time you're over here, I will take you out in my Escort, you can let me know about the suspension after !

Although there maybe a tenuous link to the BDA Escort and the 240Z... Spike Anderson worked on the BDA engine at Broadspeed…. Maybe this inspired the Samuri .:unsure:
 
johnymd

johnymd

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If we are talking about the average 240z being undervalued, then how much is an "average" 240z worth? £15-£20k. Is this above or below other high volume classics of this era? I would say it's probably at the high end but then again, they are IMO better than most of the others. They are no longer the cheap bargain they were and to get any roadworthy usable car is going to cost you at least £12k.

Now you can all get back to discussing ford escorts :)
 
jonbills

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I had a Ford escort in the late 80s of early 90s, metallic brown 1300 mk2 Estate. It was very fast. Once did Fleet Street to Golders Green in 25 minutes.
 
Woody928

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SeanDezart said:
What I am asking is wheter our early Zs remain desperately undervalued and therefore still a bargain for someone wanting a period car (whether for the road or not) in which to enjoy real driving sensations ?

How much are we prepared to pay for an L-engine overhaul (with perhaps a few trick bits) ?

How many cars have their arches flared (but luckily their sunroofs replaced) ?
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All very subjective, the classic car market place is all over the place. At a show last Saturday I had someone guess my 240z was worth 70k. It all comes down to how much people want something or a 240Z in this case. I think prices get talked down a bit myself and very nice cars should be worth about 30k all day but that’s just an opinion. The market in Japan and the US is constantly evolving whereas in the UK I see owners from various marques bashing the increasing prices rather than embracing them.

I’m sure you could get a very nice MG-B roadster for 10k and have an awesome driving experience for a fraction of the cost, it depends on how deep your pockets are as to where you fall in to the market. I’d love an early air cooled 911 to turn into an outlaw or a replica Jag D-Type but they’re out of my budget…. The Z suits me, my needs, my budget and driving style very well.

Personally I love my car and am willing to spend what is required to get it to the standard that I expect (when I can afford to), that means I will likely spend well in excess of its current value as I intend to keep it. For example I’ve just dropped about £1150 on a Ztherapy carb setup as it was the best option available, sure I could have done it cheaper but that’s what seemed the best choice for the car and my needs….
 
STEVE BURNS

STEVE BURNS

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Sean "very nice cars should be worth about 30k all day"
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Totally agree and this makes this Following comment totally relevant and 100 %Correct

But that Is IMHO

JonnyMD "then how much is an "average" 240z worth? £15-£20k I would say it's probably at the high end"
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And also these average cars are usually sold very quickly and the exceedingly higher priced cars are normally still for Sale month after month for a very long time

But He
 
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