Datsun 510

I cant believe it, i found this one last night, was going for $3750 oz dollars. Was going to ask him about it today and guess what, somebody has offered him 2800 and hes sold it, that would have been great - £1800 and £1kapprox to ship it.

Sods law

Datsun 1600 / 510 '71 | eBay
 
And your point is:confused:...just because the 510 came 2 years later doesnt automatically mean that Nissan designers "copied" the 1600E..

Just a little petrol on the fire my friend - why should it always be Zs that are a mixed copy of 911s, E-Types and are a poor-mans' Healey ?:D Oh yeah and of course the Rosdater was a blatant copy of the MG...............which came out a year afterwards......!
 
Haha, it was only a matter of time before someone came along and suggested that Nissan couldnt have designed the 510, surely they would have copied from elsewhere...:lol:


Not saying thay didn't design their own version of the 1600E ;)

Maybe Nissan knew who they needed to beat by then?
 
I cant believe it, i found this one last night, was going for $3750 oz dollars. Was going to ask him about it today and guess what, somebody has offered him 2800 and hes sold it, that would have been great - £1800 and £1kapprox to ship it.

Sods law

Datsun 1600 / 510 '71 | eBay

Shipping would double if not triple your estimate, please check the shipping quote...its going to cost you £2k-£2.5k at least, given the latest forex. And if you can get it here for £1k, please count me in ...I will import 3, got friends waiting in line:D:thumbs:
 
Not saying thay didn't design their own version of the 1600E ;)

Maybe Nissan knew who they needed to beat by then?

Possibly the most arrogant thing I've read in a long while ! Do you really think that Nissan thought so much of our poxy island market ?

And how many 1600Es did Ford sell elsewhere in the world ?
 
Possibly the most arrogant thing I've read in a long while ! Do you really think that Nissan thought so much of our poxy island market ?

And how many 1600Es did Ford sell elsewhere in the world ?

I dont think they thought a lot of us at all, but I think they thought a lot of other peoples work and how best to make their own version

Even if it looked very close :p
 
I dont think they thought a lot of us at all, but I think they thought a lot of other peoples work and how best to make their own version

That'll be why they "copied" the MkII Cortina's semi-trailing arm independent rear suspension and alloy-headed SOHC engine etc etc.

Oh, hang on....




Like I said, it's a nice simple world for simple people to believe that "The Japs Just Copy" to make "Their Own Version". Not that nasty, complicated world where the MkII Cortina was the product of the very same influences, and the design language of the time.
 
Well, that's me on the right behind my cousin's Lotus Cortina following the '71 RAC Rally. Cortina looks like a model but my cousin is a big lad!

We had used studded snow tyres on rear on that snowy RAC hence no hub caps.

Yep 510 is a great car but I'd like that Cortina now too!
 

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That'll be why they "copied" the MkII Cortina's semi-trailing arm independent rear suspension and alloy-headed SOHC engine etc etc.

Oh, hang on....

Oh, hang on ...

You're right, it was BMW's suspension and engine they copied

Could have named it the bm-tina10 to save the guess work ... !
 
Right, off to spec savers in the morning after seeing the picture posted by Rob of the cortina. I cant see any resemblence to the 510:eek:.

Maybe Nissan knew who they needed to beat by then?

Lets look at ^^^ statement from a simple geographical perspective.

Asia - No chance for the Dagenham Chariot, Bluebird 510 very popular
Americas - Again just look at the number of 510's roaming the streets and track circuits today ;)
Australia - Hmm, again heaps of 510's sold principally as Datsun 1600's and Cortinas not exactly in abundance
Africa - Lets not even go there:devil:. Only two types of folk drove a ford in Africa. You were either bribed to drive one or or you were a British Diplomat = patriotic
Europe- Perhaps the only market where the Ford sold and flourished.

"Beat it did"....... in that case:lol:

If only things were that simples...
 
You're right, it was BMW's suspension and engine they copied!

Is that the semi-trailing arm rear suspension that BMW "copied" from Isetta?

And what BMW engine are you saying Nissan "copied"? You might be slightly confused there. The know-nothings usually call the L-gata a "copy" of a Mercedes engine. Did you get your wires crossed?




Have to wonder what kind of world such a mindset sees when it gets up in the morning; First have a glass of orange juice ( both orange as a fruit and glass as a vessel "copied" from somewhere in the Mediterranean a few thousand years ago ) and then - if you're lucky - sit down to a nice 'English Breakfast' ( pig, chicken, tomato, bread all "copied" from 'abroad' in dim and distant past ), washed down with a nice cup of English ( Chinese ) tea in a classy Wedgwood mug made out of something known - for some unknown reason - as 'China'.

Funny old world isn't it?
 
History is written by the winners..........(or in this case perhaps, those commercially successful in each market country) !
 
Is that the semi-trailing arm rear suspension that BMW "copied" from Isetta?

And what BMW engine are you saying Nissan "copied"? You might be slightly confused there. The know-nothings usually call the L-gata a "copy" of a Mercedes engine. Did you get your wires crossed?


Have to wonder what kind of world such a mindset sees when it gets up in the morning; First have a glass of orange juice ( both orange as a fruit and glass as a vessel "copied" from somewhere in the Mediterranean a few thousand years ago ) and then - if you're lucky - sit down to a nice 'English Breakfast' ( pig, chicken, tomato, bread all "copied" from 'abroad' in dim and distant past ), washed down with a nice cup of English ( Chinese ) tea in a classy Wedgwood mug made out of something known - for some unknown reason - as 'China'.

Funny old world isn't it?

So nissan never copied anyone then, it was all their own ideas from day one?
btw, I was thinking of bmw's m10 engine

And you forgot the Sun newspaper in the mornings :p
 
So nissan never copied anyone then, it was all their own ideas from day one?

As is so often the case, you're missing the whole point and the big picture.

What does "copied" mean in this context? Is it the same way that the Rolling Stones 'copied' delta blues from the likes of Robert Johnson down through Willie Dixon, the same way that Robert Johnson's guitar was 'copied' from a mediaeval European stringed instrument or an ancient African stringed instrument, or the way that all these musicians 'copied' notes, chords and beats from.........? Well, from where? From nature itself?

Nobody creates or designs anything in a vacuum. All are influenced by what has come before, whether consciously or otherwise. The language of style changes almost imperceptibly, and more than one person can come up with what looks like the same thing - miraculously - at the same time as others. When some are openly influenced by the masters of the field, openly admit to it, and make their own efforts with a nod of the head to their inspiration, are they merely 'copying'? No.

If you seriously think that Nissan's stylists and engineers simply 'copied' the MkII Cortina, then you know just as little about the MkII Cortina as you know about Nissan.

The remnants of past prejudices ( propaganda, no less ) can still be seen when people point to those in the East as being mere 'copyists'. The people who do this usually have no idea what their own culture has "copied" from the very same culture they accuse of "copying".


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btw, I was thinking of bmw's m10 engine

Why? What's it got to do with the L-gatas that were used in the 510s?

900ss said:
And you forgot the Sun newspaper in the mornings :p

Paper. Chinese invention...

If you're a Sun reader it explains a lot.
 
What IS the Darwinian theory for S30s and 510s ?

Benz...then derivative of Benz engine......?:rolleyes:

Sun readers...ironic 'cos they don't ! Picture oogling then conveniently kept in back jeans' pocket for ****-wiping, especially using portraits of politicans - no need even to cut up into squares.:thumbs:
 
As is so often the case, you're missing the whole point and the big picture.

What does "copied" mean in this context?

I know what it means in the context of my replies
Now go read them again then yours, you'll see how you exaggerate the context of "copy" to suit your own little world

And the engine being sohc ally head, no not an exact copy but you knew that - I think

As for the Sun i'm fine with paper and its creator, chips still taste the same :p
 
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Sun readers...ironic 'cos they don't ! Picture oogling then conveniently kept in back jeans' pocket for ****-wiping, especially using portraits of politicans - no need even to cut up into squares.:thumbs:


Don't forget, also very handy for stuffing in rusted holes/sills of "Ford" cars, esp 1600E's :p
 
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