Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
I know someone who's asked about an MZR car, they aren't anywhere near £200k.
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Classic Values (at the moment 12/23).
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I know someone who's asked about an MZR car, they aren't anywhere near £200k.
chrisvega
Well-Known Forum User
If you've only paid £15k for it recently for a flip you probably don't mind whether it makes £35k or £40k. No need to be greedy just thankful you were in the right place at the right time to buy it for such little money. It's going to be way more than a couple of quid profit.
Obviously little to no money spent on it since acquisition, no detailing to engine bay, no rust repairs, no paint correction (is it me or the light but does the driver's door look like it has been painted a different shade of silver at some point?). Either way the whole car will need a repaint as you say to do justice to the 22k mile interior.
Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
I'd wager he paid less than £15k. based on nothing but his original posts. The engine bay looks black? A polish and clean to the whole car wouldn't hurt?
To try and make my original point (sensible pricing) if this goes for mid estimate I think it would be a good buy. I find it interesting because of it's history, rarity and rally focus. Body seems reasonable too.
chrisvega
Well-Known Forum User
I like that a lot and would happily pay top estimate - I think it may go for more due to history though. The TR7 the great pretender when it came out - that futuristic wedge shape, we all thought it was fantastic in the mid-70's but iffy Speke build quality soon gave it a bad name and poor reputation.To try and make my original point (sensible pricing) if this goes for mid estimate I think it would be a good buy. I find it interesting because of it's history, rarity and rally focus. Body seems reasonable too.
richiep
Club Member
The engine bay looks distinctly like its been Ziebarted, which is mentioned in the write-up. When those treatments were done, they tended to be highly "liberal" with application - basically, if you look closely you can see overspray of the stuff all over anything attached or near the engine bay panels. The positive - should be good underneath; the negative - getting the #### off to find out!
Healey 12
Club Member
That TR looks fantastic and has a very comprehensive history file . I would be surprised if it does not surpass the top estimate . It is very tempting
I'm tempted too. Buyer's market. If it was a 240Z from period it would be a fortune. I spectated on the 2003 Tour de Corse. The recce cars for Ford were Volvo S60 - useful bit of kit, fully sorted!
johnymd
Club Member
I am truly amazed at some of the comments on here. Maybe I just don't live in the real world and my love of zeds has blinkered me. I have always thought of the members on here as people who love owning and driving their cars. I have never thought of us as pure speculators who are only interested in the value going up. I love owning and creating my own zeds and it will never be about making a profit. I only sell my cars after getting enjoyment out of them and then needing the money for the next build. I do feel that most of my fellow members feel the same so please don't tell me I am wrong.
The prices of classic go up and down in cycles and have done for a very long time. I really don't care about their valve it it has absolutely no impact on the enjoyment I get from the cars.
The prices of classic go up and down in cycles and have done for a very long time. I really don't care about their valve it it has absolutely no impact on the enjoyment I get from the cars.
candy red
Club Member
John and Derrick, you are basically agreeing with me but probably don't realise it.
Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
You should get it Rob. If not why not?
candy red
Club Member
I don’t think I’m agreeing with this statement Rob
So Derrick, when you bought your 260Z needing work would you have done that if after all the work, you knew you would be doing that for someone else to buy it at less than you paid for it? Ok you might not have been thinking of selling it but one day you will.I don’t think I’m agreeing with this statement Rob
However my main target for my original comment were the people on ebay who are asking big money.
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candy red
Club Member
As I’ve never even thought about selling it let alone for less than it’s cost me it would be difficult to answer that I’ve brought mine because I wanted a s30 to restore and not pay. Silly money for something that looks good but really isn’t, also when I do eventually come to sell it people can look back on exactly how it has been done in my thread so maybe I will break even but I will have had the enjoyment of doing the resto and driving it.
But I do get what your say about people on eBay
Derrick, these cars have been appreciating dramatically which a modern car doesn't. So instead of dealing in modern cars some people have been dealing in classics. However they overprice them and 'talk' the market up. Then classics look to be a good investment so people buy them, but most people (John excluded) don't drive them and they become a financial asset.
So my original comment 'Those high Z prices we see advertised will struggle for a long time I reckon.' is where this all started.
People have taken this personally but I didn't intend to criticise Z Club members.
I drove all my classics and enjoyed them but are they really worth so much more than a modern sports car? That's all I was trying to say. The market is becoming more realistic now that the 'investment' side of things has calmed down a bit.
So my original comment 'Those high Z prices we see advertised will struggle for a long time I reckon.' is where this all started.
People have taken this personally but I didn't intend to criticise Z Club members.
I drove all my classics and enjoyed them but are they really worth so much more than a modern sports car? That's all I was trying to say. The market is becoming more realistic now that the 'investment' side of things has calmed down a bit.
candy red
Club Member
Yes I agree with you on what you’ve written above as you know I to along with many others in the club also drive there cars when they can .
Don’t think anyone one that knows you is talking it personally as you are the great wise one
After many others on here
To go 'off topic' a bit I have two motorbikes, a classic and a new one.
My classic (a '76 Honda CB750K) was traded as a 'part ex' against my Samuri. I was fed up with no garage space so I thought that to be a great idea - I like tinkering. My Honda was a non-runner but I really enjoyed sorting and improving everything (full 4 carb strip and tune, wiring, rear wheel rebuild, brake rebuild etc etc) . When it was all finished I though 'I ought to be riding this' so I booked a refresher riding session for a couple of hours. I hadn't ridden for 40 years. I loved it and it gives me access to weekly meets where I have made so many new friends.
I have since bought a Triumph Tiger 660.
On dry days I go to my meets on the Honda, if I ride with my son I go on the Tiger.
The Tiger does everything better than the Honda (especially braking) but the Honda has character. The Honda is worth more but why? Like the Z these bikes are 'talked up' and if you own a very early one (sandcast engine casings) they are worth twice mine but they are no better.
It's all hype, nostalgia and character. Times have moved on but we like to live in the past.
That rusty Mexico that sold last weekend for £33k was considered a sporty car in the early 70s but they are quite slow and basic now. 85bhp 0-60 12s etc 4 speed 165 tyres. People from my era say 'ooh there's a Mexico' but they wouldn't say that about a modern 'shopping' car that has superior performance and can be bought brand new with a warranty for far less. Drive it in winter, half the fuel consumption etc etc
It's such an interesting topic to me. Don't get me wrong I love the Datsun Z cars - they are beautiful with bags of character but the valuations are hard to understand. That's all I've been trying to get across. Why do I like that TR7 Rally Car? Something in my brain is telling me it's special and sporty (only 160bhp) and it's history is interesting - madness?
Model tested:
Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost Hybrid Active X
Price:
£26,355
Engine:
3 cyls in line, 999cc, turbocharged, petrol
Power
123bhp at 6000rpm
0-62mph
9.6sec
Top speed
124mph
Fuel economy
50.4-53.3mpg
My classic (a '76 Honda CB750K) was traded as a 'part ex' against my Samuri. I was fed up with no garage space so I thought that to be a great idea - I like tinkering. My Honda was a non-runner but I really enjoyed sorting and improving everything (full 4 carb strip and tune, wiring, rear wheel rebuild, brake rebuild etc etc) . When it was all finished I though 'I ought to be riding this' so I booked a refresher riding session for a couple of hours. I hadn't ridden for 40 years. I loved it and it gives me access to weekly meets where I have made so many new friends.
I have since bought a Triumph Tiger 660.
On dry days I go to my meets on the Honda, if I ride with my son I go on the Tiger.
The Tiger does everything better than the Honda (especially braking) but the Honda has character. The Honda is worth more but why? Like the Z these bikes are 'talked up' and if you own a very early one (sandcast engine casings) they are worth twice mine but they are no better.
It's all hype, nostalgia and character. Times have moved on but we like to live in the past.
That rusty Mexico that sold last weekend for £33k was considered a sporty car in the early 70s but they are quite slow and basic now. 85bhp 0-60 12s etc 4 speed 165 tyres. People from my era say 'ooh there's a Mexico' but they wouldn't say that about a modern 'shopping' car that has superior performance and can be bought brand new with a warranty for far less. Drive it in winter, half the fuel consumption etc etc
It's such an interesting topic to me. Don't get me wrong I love the Datsun Z cars - they are beautiful with bags of character but the valuations are hard to understand. That's all I've been trying to get across. Why do I like that TR7 Rally Car? Something in my brain is telling me it's special and sporty (only 160bhp) and it's history is interesting - madness?
TECHNICAL SPECS
Model tested:
Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost Hybrid Active X
Price:
£26,355
Engine:
3 cyls in line, 999cc, turbocharged, petrol
Power
123bhp at 6000rpm
0-62mph
9.6sec
Top speed
124mph
Fuel economy
50.4-53.3mpg
uk66fastback
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