Too much power??

Ooh and Rob the post takes just two days from the UK to me in the countryside and I aint the only one (UK residents) to have said it was late.

Circuits and Zs ? Yes, I know what I'm talking about - Zs and drag-strips ? Done two runs in my life so you judge if I know what I'm talking about but I'll still put my money where my mouth is and have a go :) !

That is what counts isn't it - having a go and having fun ?
 
Originally Posted by SKiddell
what makes you think that it was just a set-up issue at least one car had a credible setup, comparable to an HSCC car.
Whose ?
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Rob Gaskin's car was set up for track work (Leda's, decent tyres castor, camber) as was Geoff Gale's (who also knows the track like the back of his hand as he practically lives there)
Please note as well, I said "comparable" not "exactly like"

Originally Posted by SKiddell
try a 2.4 that would show up a few supposedly well set up 2.8's on triples.
That's just what did happen :conf2:
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When, where, what on earth are you on about, who was running a 2.4, did I miss that. To the best of my knowledge, Robs is a 2.8, see thread http://www.zclub.net/forum/showthread.php?p=50917#post50917
as was mine and Nicks, Warby has a 2.9.

Blimey DJ, blow anymore smoke up his bum and he'll change his name to "Rayburn" get a room you two, for gods sake:D
 
Skiddell said:
whilst the configuration may be the same, as you know, these are not just standard lumps as with all participants in the HSCC series and within the tight constraints of the rules, they have been breathed upon -- try a 2.4 that would show up a few supposedly well set up 2.8's on triples
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You and I were discussing HSCC 2.4s and how an HSCC 2.4 would show up a 2.8 on triples - no one said that there was a 2.4 there that day Steve - you're losing the plot - go and get a coffee (but not one of DJs 'cos they're 'orrible ;) !

Ok, even if not exactly alike - you said "comparable" - agreed ? Meaning on a similar level - agreed ?

Steve, you could even have mentioned Kevin Irons and it wouldn't have changed a thing - the HSCC cars are on another level entirely !!!

I won't be as rude as others have been to me as regards Drag-runs and my limited knowledge of them but this statement of yours implies you know less about circuit cars than you should admit.

Rob did well I heard and had a lot of fun - Geoff too had fun and was heard to say ''if I died tomorrow, I'd die happy'' and I'm sure Kevin had fun.

But, as was stated in another thread, race cars have no compromises, HSCC cars are racers and eg Robs' car is a road car that he occasionally uses on the track !
 
Read again Sean

Originally Posted by SKiddell
try a 2.4 that would show up a few supposedly well set up 2.8's on triples.
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To which you replied

That's just what did happen :conf2:
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Is that or is it not an absolute statement, so where did it happen and when.

but this statement of yours implies you know less about circuit cars than you should admit.
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Which statement of mine?

BTW, did you blow away Warby and Dave ? Macclesfields' answer to Bodie and Doyle :D ?
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Dave wasnt there, I wouldnt say we blew away Warby, he is a very credible driver but he was having brake fade issues (as were many people) fortunately we had Wilwood 4 pots/vented discs on and enough grunt to catch and pass him, he was also busy playing tag with Nick.
 
Hi Steve....
Would be a great story for the club mag, smoking bum,& fuming
Benson.:D DJZ 60.

(P.s Have you got that video for me? weekdays is better for me as weekends are a
nightmare) How's my bracket's?:rolleyes:
 
SKiddell said:
what makes you think that it was just a set-up issue at least one car had a credible setup, comparable to an HSCC car
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The above statement Steve :) !

The HSCC 2.4s did 'show up' (those are harsh wrods of yours originally but let's use them for now - no offence to the likes of you, Rob G, Warby and others) 2.8s on triples etc. How ? I said that the 2.8s etc were at least 5 seconds off the pace - pace recorded on previous HSCC races and qualifying there - NOT on the day of JapFest - can we move on now please :) ?

Is Warby still playing with Scalextric cars and Toyota brakes ? There is only one brake kit good enough for serious fun on the track, especially for anything over 200bhp and I'd assume that his Scorpio engine (2.9 ?) has at least that !

Another indication of a powerful car not able to fully appreciate (= use) all the power it has available ! A car is a complete package that a circuit drive indicates, one must steer, brake, accelerate etc.

Aniother statement of fact for you ;) :

Fast cars with poor brakes; fast cars with faulty throttle linkages and fast cars with moderate drivers can all get fast drag-run times (perhaps not THE fastest which also comes with experience) BUT they can't get fast lap times !

Next stop - S30s with the tiniest, lightest of brakes (to comply with the MOT and save weight) and a parachute out the back to slow down after 400m ;) ?

Keep it cool guys - if anyone doesn't take this as fun - say so and we'll stop !

I want my point accepted that the HSCC Zs are not just souped-up road cars with lowered suspension, a roll cage and an extinguisher - they are pukka top level, engineered race cars and are NOT comparable with any of the S30s that were at Jap Fest !
 
:bow: Hey guys, lighten up, don’t make VERDUN out of every post!

It's like a trench war!!!! While SEAN isn't bad at it, give him a clear field for once and let him charge like cavalry should. He is more than a Z fanatic, he is the guardian of the Z spirit this side of the pond! From outside, it looks like you're not picking on him for what he says but more how.

:devil: I am not sure this post (like the others) would have go this way with others posters saying the same thing?

;) Our Z empire need you Artillery boys with your knowledge of the ballistic art, you’re the only one able to send Z&ZX at light speed with good results!
:rolleyes: As much as we need our Cavalry, cutting the fields of ordinary race cars with speed, balance, power and grace!!!!!
:) We also need the support of the Back troops, going North to South East to West every Sunday with their standard and concourse cars, giving support to those on first line.
:unsure: My only wish, (but who am I? More a scout than a regular, I am too independent to wear a uniform) is that the Radio boys would keep it two tone under with the watts from their Hi-Fi.

Scout Boomer, deep under cover, saying shut-up and clean-up your act the Porsche are coming :eek:

BTW: What do you think of our latest R&D... the electric 240Z drag car what a weapon :D 12.464 ain't bad for a slot car !!!!!!!!
 
boomer said:

BTW: What do you think of our latest R&D... the electric 240Z drag car what a weapon :D 12.464 ain't bad for a slot car !!!!!!!!
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Back to the future - McFly with me to the stars................:devil:

We'll all be wanting Deloreans next - great car with a Renault engine :unsure: !
 
Hey guys, lighten up, don’t make VERDUN out of every post!
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No more like -- Againcourt:D

To reiterate Sean's post, there is no anymosity here at all just slightly intense, and at time overzealousdebate (which inevitably goes off track from time to time) but it keeps you guys entertained nest pas
 
I want my point accepted that the HSCC Zs are not just souped-up road cars with lowered suspension, a roll cage and an extinguisher - they are pukka top level, engineered race cars and are NOT comparable with any of the S30s that were at Jap Fest !
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Three out four current HSCC cars are highly developed with more going on under the skin than you might expect. One, however, is a typical Clubman's car, fully trimmed and runs with spare wheel in place and little regard to absolute lightness.

All '70s Roadsports competitors have, by the definition of the class, to be MOT'd and road legal, so are not that far removed from the potential that some Club cars could achieve. Many competitors (Matt included) drive on the road to and from the meetings.

Comparing drivers - the least developed car regularly out-qualifies and finishes ahead of one of the more highly developed cars.

Regardless - all the drivers are out there having fun!
 
herrrrrrrrrrrr, happy slaping is not my idea of fun :eek: The main thing for me is to learn at least one thing out of a post... one thing Z related not on man kind behaviour ;)
 
I normally wouldn't get involved in this sort of debate, but this is quite a statement isn't it Sean? ;)

There is only one brake kit good enough for serious fun on the track
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Mr.F said:
Three out four current HSCC cars are highly developed with more going on under the skin than you might expect. One, however, is a typical Clubman's car, fully trimmed and runs with spare wheel in place and little regard to absolute lightness.

All '70s Roadsports competitors have, by the definition of the class, to be MOT'd and road legal, so are not that far removed from the potential that some Club cars could achieve. Many competitors (Matt included) drive on the road to and from the meetings.

Comparing drivers - the least developed car regularly out-qualifies and finishes ahead of one of the more highly developed cars.

Regardless - all the drivers are out there having fun!
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All true BUT note the words "potential that some Club cars could achieve" !

The club cars out on the track are not quite there yet...........but I'm coming ;) !

I prefer to think of it Steve as more of a Hastings scenario ;) !!!
 
Out of interest, what kind of lap times were the HS30 cars getting around Castle combe? what sort of time differences between standard and non standard?
 
Thats the only one you could pick wasnt it -- its the only time France ever won anything of value, plus it goes to show how arty farty the French are, they recorded it on -- Tapestry not stone or metal or parchment made from human skin but girly tapestry.

Anyway stop being rude, you havent replied to 240Z's comment on your post
There is only one brake kit good enough for serious fun on the track
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Come on I am interested to see if its Brembo, AP, Tar-Ox, Hi Spec or what else could there possibly be, seeing as I dont know anything about circuit cars:rolleyes: maybe you could tell us.
 
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