The 12e RALLYE MONTE-CARLO HISTORIQUE 2009

here are top three cars

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Japanese license plates

Question probably to answer by Alan.

What was the explanation of the ‘European’ Japanese license plates?
 
Legendary5 said:
Question probably to answer by Alan.

What was the explanation of the ‘European’ Japanese license plates?
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I will try to give myself an answer.

TK= Tokyo plus the district A attached.
33 is the engine above 2ltr.
The SA would be a guess perhaps area?
The number is just a number.

Did I won the fridge??? :cheers:
 
Lund wins stage 14 also, doublet his lead ............
Two stages to go, actually the same as 13 and 14
 
++stop the presses++

+++And the winner of the Rallye Monte Carlo Historique 2009 is
Datsun car no 30
Svein Lund and Tore Fredriksen.
A legendary win if I may say so.
Looking backwards, since 1972 back on the podium.
See for results the RMCH page.+++

:thumbs:Congratulations!!! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

:cheers::bow::cheers:​

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Fantastic result - nice to see a ZZZZZZZZ showing the way, great drive. Thanks for the updates Guus.
 
What a great thread!

Guss thanks for being our resident reporter and bringing some of the magic alive!

Congratulations to Svein Lund and Tore Fredriksen!!:party:
 
What an event it was…..and what a long night it was….. The organisation took very long before the two last result were published. I even mailed the webmaster that I was waiting :smash: Hahahaha….. Yeh, you do strange things early in the morning…..
Nevertheless, it was something to wait for. Absolutely great.
 
Legendary5 said:
What was the explanation of the ‘European’ Japanese license plates?
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Legendary5 said:
I will try to give myself an answer.

TK= Tokyo plus the district A attached.
33 is the engine above 2ltr.
The SA would be a guess perhaps area?
The number is just a number.

Did I won the fridge??? :cheers:
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You're kind of on the right track, but I'll try to clarify with a little more detail:

Japanese registration number plates are issued by the local offices of the licensing authority, and the first part of the plate identifies the particular local office with Japanese ( 'Kanji' ) characters. There is also a 'Hiragana' character before the four ( Arabic ) number section. Of course, these characters cannot easily be deciphered should they be used outside Japan - so Japanese cars that were to be used temporarily outside Japan ( on a temporary-export 'carnet' ) had to have 'translated' plates, just to make them legible / recordable for logistics and paperwork.

In the case of most of the works 240Z rally cars for instance, their temporary-export 'carnet' plates were issued by the Shinagawa area licensing office in Tokyo ( the closest to Nissan's Ginza head office building, as opposed to the factories at Hiratsuka and Oppama ). The normal Japanese reading of the Shinagawa area plates reads only as 'Shinagawa', but for the carnet plates the Japanese licensing authority chose to use the roman letters 'TKS' ( standing for ToKyo, Shinagawa ), which was followed by the taxation class for over 2-litre cars of 33.

Then followed the translation of that Hiragana character, and this was done by using a phonetic translation of the character, written again in romanised alphabet letters. The Hiragana characters were issued in sequences starting with the syllable "Sa" ( which - when they were all used up - was followed by "Si", "Su", "Se" and "So", and then on to the next set of Hiragana syllables ) so the licensing authority romanised this as 'SA', and followed it with up to four numbers that were theoretically issued sequentially. So - for example - you could see a 'carnet' plate on a works 240Z that would read 'TKS 33 SA 3999'.

I hope I have explained that properly and haven't confused you too much........ :unsure:

I see Mr Ikeuchi managed to get a semi-'vanity' carnet number on his car for the Monte. His licensing office is still written as 'TKS', but modern updates to the taxation classes mean that he got '330' class instead of the old '33'. His Hiragana character is different to the usual 'old' ones, but he managed to get the famous '4150' of Aaltonen's '72 Monte car. I should imagine this cost him a little bit extra in fees.......... :)

What did you think of Ikeuchi san's car, Guus? Did you give it the full KGB treatment? It looks really nice on those replica KS rally mags ( from Revive Jalopy, I should think? ) but I'm still not convinced that it's been built on a proper 240Z 'shell. What did Ikeuchi san say about that..........?

Thanks very much for the reports, and congrats to Svein Lund and Tore Fredriksen!
 
Well, I did not confront him with any treatment. We came pretty late in Reims, in a hall full of ‘stressed’ people. Just like a beehive.
When we arrived, I met the co-driver, which I thought was Toshiya ITO. Wrong!
Some time later, shake hands with Toshimasa. There was a whole ‘crew’ with him. Wife daughter, relatives , friends…..
I thought I could not make it to “crawl under the car” for inspection…. However, the car looks good, very clean. Almost a waist to drive the Monte with it.

What I noticed was, the right strut tower had an old dent it was not straight. Pity.

Here something Japanese spiritual. His car number is 23, he ended place 23 in class…..

Picasa-webalbums - Guus - MCH2009 update
 
I forgot, thanks for explaining about the plates. You told me once in the past perhaps on the USA forum?? But it is clear to me.
 
The live of a winner........ “Said that the Japanese camera teams were crazy.
And he has been on the air here in Norway on the radio as well”.
 
Albrecht said:
There is also a 'Hiragana' character before the four ( Arabic ) number section.

Then followed the translation of that Hiragana character, and this was done by using a phonetic translation of the character, written again in romanised alphabet letters. The Hiragana characters were issued in sequences starting with the syllable "Sa" ( which - when they were all used up - was followed by "Si", "Su", "Se" and "So", and then on to the next set of Hiragana syllables ) so the licensing authority romanised this as 'SA', and followed it with up to four numbers that were theoretically issued sequentially. So - for example - you could see a 'carnet' plate on a works 240Z that would read 'TKS 33 SA 3999'.
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I'll go to bed less stupid - thanks.

Did I miss something my Count ? What purpose does the 'Hiragana' character serve ?

And thanks Guus - you need to have a better crew vehicle next year - better buy a Cedric or better still - do it in a Z ! Maybe try and get down and see the rallye 'in the flesh' - I could ask a couple of our guys down there to see if you can't coordinate something. I'm on friendly terms with the Patounas too.
 
I still have the works horse……… he would do better..:rolleyes:

I say it every year and so this year too……….like to compete. Rough and tough.
Have to arrange some sponsorship for the 3700+ Euro……….


Ps. direct Patounas to my site please.:bow:
 

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Made a small contribution to the palmares page :smash:.
They got all the Norwegain country codes wrong and they won a few....
Here how it was until yesterday.
12th edition - January, 29th to February 4th 2008
1) Svein LUND (NLD) / Tore FREDRIKSEN (NLD) - Datsun 240 Z - 1971
2) Henning JORSTAD (NLD) / Tine HALLRE (NLD) - Alpine Renault A110 1600 SX - 1977
3) Alain LOPES (BEL) / Georges VAN OOSTEN (BEL) - Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 - 1974

A complete BeNeLux finish podium :D.

Well after a small correction mail of my ;), it ends like this.
12e édition - 29 janvier au 4 février 2009
1) Svein LUND (NOR) / Tore FREDRIKSEN (NOR) - Datsun 240 Z - 1971
2) Henning JORSTAD (NOR) / Tine HALLRE (NOR) - Alpine Renault A110 1600 SX - 1977
3) Alain LOPES (BEL) / Georges VAN OOSTEN (BEL) - Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 – 1974

http://www.acm.mc/rmch/rmch_main.php?page=intemp/palmares.php
 
SeanDezart said:
Did I miss something my Count ? What purpose does the 'Hiragana' character serve ?
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Well, each Hiragana character theoretically gives another 9999 distinct numbers for that individual taxation class, and for that registration plate issuing district office.

The Hiragana character doesn't actually mean anything. It's just a method of increasing plate numbering possibilities without using too many arabic numerals on the plate - which would make them far harder to recognise / remember.
 
Legendary5 said:
Well, I did not confront him with any treatment.

I thought I could not make it to “crawl under the car” for inspection…. However, the car looks good, very clean. Almost a waist to drive the Monte with it.

What I noticed was, the right strut tower had an old dent it was not straight. Pity.
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I would not be worried about any old dents or natural signs of age on the car. On the contrary - I find them somewhat reassuring.

What I'm talking about is the very real likelihood that the car in question was not actually what it was presented as being. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I find it disappointing that a car being presented as an 'HLS30' VIN prefixed 'Datsun 240Z' - and wearing an engine plate factory data plate stating such - actually appeared to have been based on a much later bodyshell. I'm curious to understand how and why this was done.

In the grand scheme of things - given that car & crew's finishing position - it does not really matter, but I can't help thinking that if such a car had won the event it might give good grounds for a protest by the cars that finished close behind........
 
Albrecht said:
I would not be worried about any old dents or natural signs of age on the car. On the contrary - I find them somewhat reassuring.

What I'm talking about is the very real likelihood that the car in question was not actually what it was presented as being. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I find it disappointing that a car being presented as an 'HLS30' VIN prefixed 'Datsun 240Z' - and wearing an engine plate factory data plate stating such - actually appeared to have been based on a much later bodyshell. I'm curious to understand how and why this was done.

In the grand scheme of things - given that car & crew's finishing position - it does not really matter, but I can't help thinking that if such a car had won the event it might give good grounds for a protest by the cars that finished close behind........
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Agreed.
 
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