Advice about Gt/Gts track racing

SeanDezart said:
For those of you who haven't seen Mr Bourgoins' ('claimed') silver Le Mans car - here it is at a nearby circuit !
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Sean,
What's Bourgoin going to say about the car that's being built for the Le Mans revival thing? Or is he part of the plan? :confused:

SeanDezart said:
Here's one for you know who - talk about swapping numbers - look at the number plate (s) !
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Don't do as I do, do as I say!
And anyway, anybody who really knew their onions would know that '54' is the wrong taxation class for a real 'H' prefix Z in Japan..........

SeanDezart said:
Maybe trying to sell his 'GTS ZG racer' to an Italian......
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Now why would our fake ex-Works rally car making friends at Nissan Italia want it? They don't even know what it is - just like our friends in Nissan UK's Rickmansworth offices.

;)
 
Albrecht said:
Sean,
What's Bourgoin going to say about the car that's being built for the Le Mans revival thing? Or is he part of the plan? :confused:
Now why would our fake ex-Works rally car making friends at Nissan Italia want it? They don't even know what it is - just like our friends in Nissan UK's Rickmansworth offices.

;)
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To answer the second first, as an official Nissan organistaion have a fake ex-works rally car, Mr Nick Mason had a fake 250GTO then maybe Mr Rick Mansworth would like an after-market body-kitted tuning Z - looks a whole lot different from the yelow Z Farm Z (yukky wheels on the yellow).

For the first, I seriously doubtt that Mr B. is aware of it. If he was, he's very small fry compared with who is alledgedly (I say that because I have yet to see anything firm) commissioning the project and the same guy is well in with the FIA at Paris !

What did I tell you so far on this project ? I'm sure the rest will make your hair stand on end ! Like, it'll have a 2.8 litre engine ?
 
SeanDezart said:
.......Mr Nick Mason had a fake 250GTO.........
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Did he? As far as I'm aware, the 250 GTO he has now is very much the real thing and has the full provenance to go with it. Its identity is not in doubt.

SeanDezart said:
....I seriously doubtt that Mr B. is aware of it. If he was, he's very small fry compared with who is alledgedly (I say that because I have yet to see anything firm) commissioning the project and the same guy is well in with the FIA at Paris !
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Come on Sean, stop shilly shallying and spill the beans. No point alluding to this person's identity unless you are prepared to name names, and I have no chance of guessing who it might be from the 'clues' you have given. PM me if you don't feel like being sued ;)

SeanDezart said:
What did I tell you so far on this project ? I'm sure the rest will make your hair stand on end ! Like, it'll have a 2.8 litre engine ?
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To be honest, nothing would surprise me all that much - although it might add to my disappointment and generally jaded outlook. You only have to take a peep underneath the cars that took part in the latest Safari to see how little they have in common with the cars that actually won the real Safari back in 1971 & 1973.

A 2.8 litre engine in a 'replica' or 'recreation' of the '75 & '76 Le Mans car would not be too far wrong as long as it was based on an L24 block ( up to 2870cc would arguably be 'legal' and proveable for 'in period' spec ) - but I doubt that they'd do that. They are much more likely to choose an L28 block, and probably an F54 at that :rolleyes:

And I bet that they look to the USA for data and spec info when they should be looking to Japan......
 
Albrecht said:
Did he? As far as I'm aware, the 250 GTO he has now is very much the real thing and has the full provenance to go with it. Its identity is not in doubt. Sorry,I know he has a real one but I'm sure remember reading that it was he that was selling a replica. I thought that one of these might have been his (as well) to save 'wear' on the real thing :
http://www.zclub.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4930&highlight=GTO

http://www.zclub.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5505&highlight=GTO

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4590881131&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fcgiurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%252Fws%252F%26fkr%3D1%26from%3DR8%26satitle%3D4590881131%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1

www.250gto.org.uk
Come on Sean, stop shilly shallying and spill the beans. No point alluding to this person's identity unless you are prepared to name names, and I have no chance of guessing who it might be from the 'clues' you have given. PM me if you don't feel like being sued ;) New thread will appear !


To be honest, nothing would surprise me all that much - although it might add to my disappointment and generally jaded outlook. You only have to take a peep underneath the cars that took part in the latest Safari to see how little they have in common with the cars that actually won the real Safari back in 1971 & 1973. And the other competition, do you think they ware exact copies of before - no, everybody uses newer materials - I suppose you've replaced your bushes with genuine Nissan rubber rather than the urethane ones to really go back to the 'right' feel 40 years ago !

A 2.8 litre engine in a 'replica' or 'recreation' of the '75 & '76 Le Mans car would not be too far wrong as long as it was based on an L24 block ( up to 2870cc would arguably be 'legal' and proveable for 'in period' spec ) - but I doubt that they'd do that. They are much more likely to choose an L28 block, and probably an F54 at that :rolleyes: No, no, no Count - I think the aim is to use anL28 block with an N42 head :D

And I bet that they look to the USA for data and spec info when they should be looking to Japan......
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I am doing my best (to be involved and therefore to influence them) to get them at least to look towards some people in the UK, who are more switched on to Japanese ideas than over the water - want to be involved ?
 
Sean,
Are you sure you aren't mixing up Nick Mason with Pete Waterman?

Of course all the other cars in the Safari last time were using 2005-era dampers with remote reservoirs and all the rest of it - not just the Zs. My point was that there is increasingly less and less that is 'historic' about those cars. One day they'll just look vaguely like the original cars, and it will probably get to the point ( like it has with the Escorts ) where *new* bodyshells are being made for them.

There's a massive diversion of philosophies between events like the Safari on one hand ( widespread use of modern technology, materials and components ) and something like the race cars you see at a VSCC event or one of the 'Top Hat' series races. You can bet that components have been updated and 'improved' on the VSCC and 'Top Hat' series cars compared to when the cars were within a few years of their build date, but the point is that it is done sympathetically and at least within the 'spirit' of the era concerned. Can you imagine a Porsche 904 GTS using a full KW remote-reservoir damper system and progressive rate springs just because it would be 'better' than the original equipment? What would be the point of racing that in a 'historic' class?

No urethane on my car? Funnily enough, if ( and when ) you see my 432-R replica, you will hopefully notice the efforts to capture the spirit and flavour of the original cars.
 
Albrecht said:
Sean,
Are you sure you aren't mixing up Nick Mason with Pete Waterman? Dunno, am I ? Did Waterman have as much taste as the dross he's produced on behalf of other people over the years (all good sellers of course) ?

Of course all the other cars in the Safari last time were using 2005-era dampers with remote reservoirs and all the rest of it - not just the Zs. My point was that there is increasingly less and less that is 'historic' about those cars. One day they'll just look vaguely like the original cars, and it will probably get to the point ( like it has with the Escorts ) where *new* bodyshells are being made for them. I agree, in fact, it's widely known that therer are plans to stick a 240Z shell on a Terrano chassis mated with an uprated Z33 engine for the next 'Historic' Safari rallye !

There's a massive diversion of philosophies between events like the Safari on one hand ( widespread use of modern technology, materials and components ) and something like the race cars you see at a VSCC event or one of the 'Top Hat' series races. You can bet that components have been updated and 'improved' on the VSCC and 'Top Hat' series cars compared to when the cars were within a few years of their build date, but the point is that it is done sympathetically and at least within the 'spirit' of the era concerned. Can you imagine a Porsche 904 GTS using a full KW remote-reservoir damper system and progressive rate springs just because it would be 'better' than the original equipment? What would be the point of racing that in a 'historic' class? Again, I agree and I think the organisers should re-do the rules to make sure that all parts should strictly adhere to originally homologated equipment - that wouldn't necessarily put the Zs at a disadvantage.....but the others might complain !

No urethane on my car? Funnily enough, if ( and when ) you see my 432-R replica, you will hopefully notice the efforts to capture the spirit and flavour of the original cars.
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I look forward to it but you haven't answered my question Count ! And what original cars in particular ?
 
SeanDezart said:
I look forward to it but you haven't answered my question Count ! And what original cars in particular ?
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In my case, genuine factory ( and Works ) built PZRs.

Which actually had bushing materials other than rubber in certain applications ;)
 
Albrecht said:
In my case, genuine factory ( and Works ) built PZRs.

Which actually had bushing materials other than rubber in certain applications ;)
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Such as what (considering that they were designed and produced at the end of the '60s) ?
 
That's the NINETEEN Sixties Sean, not the Eighteen Sixties :p

Aluminium, Phosphor Bronze, Nylon and 'brand name' materials such as Delrin - for example. Oh, and not forgetting Polyurethane of course ( but black - not red, blue or yellow ;) ).
 
ben240z said:
The car as I run it now is pretty much the same apart from the re-worked front air dam which now incorperates a splitter and the class that I run in will not allow me to run the big wing so I have fitted a spoiler to the rear of the car with a diffuser underneath.
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BEN,
which is the class you are competing, now? And what is about the current set up of the engine? Is it still the JANSPEED turbo you are running? May I have more informations about your car?
 
speedshot said:
BEN,
which is the class you are competing, now? And what is about the current set up of the engine? Is it still the JANSPEED turbo you are running? May I have more informations about your car?
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hi there sorry for the delay but i have been away on a course. The car is currently running in the Gurston down hillclimb championship in the over 2000cc Marque sports class. The turbo set up that Janspeed were tyring to develope was never succesful and did not compete in a race. They always raced the car with a normally aspirated engine. The engine set up now is
3.1ltr dry sumped on throttle slide with individual injectors in the trumpets. Distributorless ignition with individual coils on the plugs. Fully mappable and programable engine management with data logging, traction control and launch control. Running through a twin plate clutch on a lightened non nissan flywheel to a 5 speed close ratio straight cut dog gearbox with interchangable ratios shoe horned into a RS240 casing( with the addition of some creative aluminium welding to make the casing larger to take the larger internals), through a non nissan prop ( I broke 3 nissan props) to a 3.1 limited slip diff. Power and torque figures are enough to put a big grin on any drivers face. Tryes are 10 inch and 11 inch wide hillclimb slicks. Brakes are 4 pot lockheed race calipers all round on 11 inch discs operated by twin master cylinders and no servo. Clutch is operated by master cylinder mounted on the pedal box inside the car and then concentric slave cylinder in the bell housing. Body has full roll cage welded into shell incorperateing rear and front suspension turrets and cross door bars. Body kit is lightwieght glass fibre and aluminium. Additional devices have been added to the car to take in the advances in aerodynamics made since the car was built in 1971/2. Current race wieght is under 1000kg with contentedly fed driver. If you want more info then let me know. cheers ben
ps sorry been away and forgotton how to use the quote function. (maybe a reminder could be put in one of the forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
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