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will diesels take over petrol sportscars
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Taz 1
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Diesals?
I don't know if diesal will take over but I do know what a highly toxic substance it is. Numerous studies in recent years have linked it firmly with an increased incidence of Asthma and other Bronchial complaints among children living near main roads in cities and towns (studies were carried here in the UK by the current batch of muppets in power and by Mercedes in Europe and various other institutes). Various studies have allegedy shown it to be linked other lung diseases across the EU.
It damages the road surface causing a breakdown of the bonds within the road surface causing the surface to lift and break up faster than it would normally do so. It doesn't evaporate as does petrol, and when mixed with rain becomes downright dangerous if not lethal to other road users, especially at roundabouts, junctions and bends.
As a keen motorcyclist I loathe the stuff. If you do a lot of miles I can see it's appeal, but I have a problem with the attendant environmental and health risks. I realise that they are achieving a cleaner burn and reduced emissions but when I see the smoking chugging lorries, cars and trains I worry about it, let alone the crap ships chuck out.
It may be more economical in the long run but the sheer quantity of it used makes me wonder if it's a bigger pollutant than petrol. Is it the future? I agree, it's the now! I only hope that what comes next comes soon.
I don't know if diesal will take over but I do know what a highly toxic substance it is. Numerous studies in recent years have linked it firmly with an increased incidence of Asthma and other Bronchial complaints among children living near main roads in cities and towns (studies were carried here in the UK by the current batch of muppets in power and by Mercedes in Europe and various other institutes). Various studies have allegedy shown it to be linked other lung diseases across the EU.
It damages the road surface causing a breakdown of the bonds within the road surface causing the surface to lift and break up faster than it would normally do so. It doesn't evaporate as does petrol, and when mixed with rain becomes downright dangerous if not lethal to other road users, especially at roundabouts, junctions and bends.
As a keen motorcyclist I loathe the stuff. If you do a lot of miles I can see it's appeal, but I have a problem with the attendant environmental and health risks. I realise that they are achieving a cleaner burn and reduced emissions but when I see the smoking chugging lorries, cars and trains I worry about it, let alone the crap ships chuck out.
It may be more economical in the long run but the sheer quantity of it used makes me wonder if it's a bigger pollutant than petrol. Is it the future? I agree, it's the now! I only hope that what comes next comes soon.
SeanDezart
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Yes..... but who would want to be seen driving a Vel Satis!
Our Président...who'd be seen in a porky 280ZX snail-machine ?
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JEZ 280ZX
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SeanDezart
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True
, but not for over a year (with the little one) and that's why they're both up for sale !
, but not for over a year (with the little one) and that's why they're both up for sale !
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SeanDezart
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Silas in The de Vinci code - it's a bad-boys' car !Yes..... but who would want to be seen driving a Vel Satis!
JEZ 280ZX
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SeanDezart
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what film is that then ?
Tony 260Z
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True
I know the global economic climate is hard Sean, but selling the Wife and Kid is a bit drastic.
Still, if you get a decent price let me know. I need cash to get my Z fixed....
SeanDezart
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.....and I'll throw the other kid in for free......! It's not how much you earn - it's how much your family spend of it !
Lets Drift
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yup you are so right.
I had desiel with a passion and will never buy one oh and desiel is not cheap to buy at the pump either. nastie smelly stuff that cause's one two many road accidents and far too many breathing problems.
I spun my Zed a full 360 on a desiel and water spillage coming off a roundabout I was lucky I didn't hit any thing or damage anything
Also if moved over to deisel we'd soon run out of the stuff and with LPG there's not enough of desiel or LPG for everyone to go over to them
SeanDezart
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Sounds like your name fits - I thought you loved that sort of thing !:lol:
To use LPG, you need autonomy - that's the problem with electric cars but I haven't seen a medium sized car yet with a boot and a 100litre LPG tank !
It's diesel....until we run out or it becomes too expensive which it won't for a long, long time yet - invest in a pair of goggles and a filter mask - it's cheaper and'll become in fashion soon - as in Japan !
Diesel is cheaper over here - it's your fuel tax that prices it up so lobby for less tax on a so-called cleaner fuel !
Super 98 today is £1.17 per litre
Diesel today is £1 per litre
Taz 1
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Will diesel take over
I have often wondered how many accidents can be attributed to spilt diesel. Had a chat recently with a friend from the traffic division of Plod-u-like. It seems that there is little or no will to go against the (political) grain and investigate this subject at the scene of accidents unless it is very,very obvious that a diesel spill was the cause.
There is no motivation to do so when a force's figures can be improved by the easy method of going for a basic charge of careless = fine = points or in more extreme cases go for a charge of dangerous. This not to say that they are not aware of the problems caused by diesel spillage nor that individual officers are not concerned about it. But that there is a culture that does not encourage lenghty investigations into this problem.
I should point out that my conversation was with an individual officer, off duty and expressing his own point of view and he was not representing his or any other force's views.
The conclusions are my own. After all if a motorist/motorcyclist crashes at a roundabout with no other vehicle involved, it is very easy to just blame the motorist for speeding and/or not paying attention - case closed, oh and of course a potential chargeable offence or am I being far too cynical?
With diesel being such a dangerous health risk in so many ways I cannot bring myself to use it, this is a personal decision and I do not mean any criticism of those individual who use the stuff. Distance travelled, cost and economy make it a financially wise decision for many, but the cost in other ways? I just don't know. As I said before, whatever comes next had better be soon, please don't let it be batteries.
I have often wondered how many accidents can be attributed to spilt diesel. Had a chat recently with a friend from the traffic division of Plod-u-like. It seems that there is little or no will to go against the (political) grain and investigate this subject at the scene of accidents unless it is very,very obvious that a diesel spill was the cause.
There is no motivation to do so when a force's figures can be improved by the easy method of going for a basic charge of careless = fine = points or in more extreme cases go for a charge of dangerous. This not to say that they are not aware of the problems caused by diesel spillage nor that individual officers are not concerned about it. But that there is a culture that does not encourage lenghty investigations into this problem.
I should point out that my conversation was with an individual officer, off duty and expressing his own point of view and he was not representing his or any other force's views.
The conclusions are my own. After all if a motorist/motorcyclist crashes at a roundabout with no other vehicle involved, it is very easy to just blame the motorist for speeding and/or not paying attention - case closed, oh and of course a potential chargeable offence or am I being far too cynical?
With diesel being such a dangerous health risk in so many ways I cannot bring myself to use it, this is a personal decision and I do not mean any criticism of those individual who use the stuff. Distance travelled, cost and economy make it a financially wise decision for many, but the cost in other ways? I just don't know. As I said before, whatever comes next had better be soon, please don't let it be batteries.
SeanDezart
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Any roundabout is going to be slippery, worse still in the wet after a long dry spell....which we've forgotten exist !
We need a batterie development evolution - somewhere to store unused electric power - then you can charge your car at home and with photo-electric panels, charge those said batteries on the move - a small gpl engine might be needed to cut in on steep or long inclines or when under a heavy load - it could cut in when power requested goes above the normal discharge !
But one needs to keep the power somewhere efficient and above all light !
We appear to be light years away from us taking our electric car abroad on holiday with the caravan behind ! Stop sending Chinese take-aways into space and fix the bl**dy batterie problem !
We need a batterie development evolution - somewhere to store unused electric power - then you can charge your car at home and with photo-electric panels, charge those said batteries on the move - a small gpl engine might be needed to cut in on steep or long inclines or when under a heavy load - it could cut in when power requested goes above the normal discharge !
But one needs to keep the power somewhere efficient and above all light !
We appear to be light years away from us taking our electric car abroad on holiday with the caravan behind ! Stop sending Chinese take-aways into space and fix the bl**dy batterie problem !
Taz 1
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Batteries
Ok. lets fix the bloody battery problem.
1: We have an energy supply problem in most countries, so where do you propose to obtain all the extra energy required to build all those expensive to make and highly toxic batteries?
Then where are you going to get all that energy required to charge them? Build more power stations - but what kind?
There are a variety of other solutions out there, but there is, around the world a distinct lack of the political will required to make the very, very hard decisions that would go some way to achieving them.
You can see why, there are vested interests in politics and business (the car industry in particular, the petroleum industry and of course the battery makers), mucho money and millions of jobs, not just in the above mentioned industries but all the attached service and aftermarket industries.
Batteries may be an achievable stop-gap technology but long term you have very serious issues to overcome and not least the disposal of all those used highly toxic batteries.
Take a look at the Toyota Prius (preferably with eyes closed - ugly just understates it), as Top Gear showed not so long ago, it is actually very very inefficient in the long term, ecologicaly speaking, it's carbon footprint is truly awful. A very clumsy attempt at acquiring "green" credentials.
Nope, battery problem not fixed. In fact maybe all it does is make the situation worse?
Now storing unused/surplus energy for later distribution. Mmmm now there's a very interesting idea, it'd have to be on a huge scale to be energy efficient. Now what did you have in mind for that Sean, you got me very interested in that one. C'mon cough it up.
Ok. lets fix the bloody battery problem.
1: We have an energy supply problem in most countries, so where do you propose to obtain all the extra energy required to build all those expensive to make and highly toxic batteries?
Then where are you going to get all that energy required to charge them? Build more power stations - but what kind?
There are a variety of other solutions out there, but there is, around the world a distinct lack of the political will required to make the very, very hard decisions that would go some way to achieving them.
You can see why, there are vested interests in politics and business (the car industry in particular, the petroleum industry and of course the battery makers), mucho money and millions of jobs, not just in the above mentioned industries but all the attached service and aftermarket industries.
Batteries may be an achievable stop-gap technology but long term you have very serious issues to overcome and not least the disposal of all those used highly toxic batteries.
Take a look at the Toyota Prius (preferably with eyes closed - ugly just understates it), as Top Gear showed not so long ago, it is actually very very inefficient in the long term, ecologicaly speaking, it's carbon footprint is truly awful. A very clumsy attempt at acquiring "green" credentials.
Nope, battery problem not fixed. In fact maybe all it does is make the situation worse?
Now storing unused/surplus energy for later distribution. Mmmm now there's a very interesting idea, it'd have to be on a huge scale to be energy efficient. Now what did you have in mind for that Sean, you got me very interested in that one. C'mon cough it up.
This is getting stupid now lol. Petrol is FAR more dangerous due to being so flamable! If you had a petrol spilage on a roundabout and someone threw a cigarette stub out of their window the consequences would be unthinkable! Diesel spillages are caused by lorries over-filling at the depo to reduce stops at over priced filling stations, maybe its time someone invented an anti-spill cap for their tanks?
Toxic batteries? Not an issue as all of the internal components can be recycled and turned into brand new motability scooter powaaah
Anyway, batteries aren't the issue here, diesel is! Diesel engine designers have made MASSIVE steps forwards in recent years and the old smoke blowing bus engines etc are a thing of the past, its just a case of giving them time to get the newer buses on the roads..... The sooner the better though IMO
Talking of dirty diesel burning engines, why has nobody brought diesel-electric trains up yet? :lol:
Cheers,
Andy
Toxic batteries? Not an issue as all of the internal components can be recycled and turned into brand new motability scooter powaaah
Anyway, batteries aren't the issue here, diesel is! Diesel engine designers have made MASSIVE steps forwards in recent years and the old smoke blowing bus engines etc are a thing of the past, its just a case of giving them time to get the newer buses on the roads..... The sooner the better though IMO
Talking of dirty diesel burning engines, why has nobody brought diesel-electric trains up yet? :lol:
Cheers,
Andy
Lets Drift
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that would depend on a number of variables Andy as petrol has a low flash point.
if the petrol is a pool and the road is not porous then the light would simply go out.
If the road was porous and the petrol soaked in it might catch light, but you'd have to throw that lighten fag out very quickly as petrol evaporate's very quickly.
It's petrol vapours that are the worse of catching fire and exploding as they have all you need a spark, plenty of air and of course the fuel.
I went on a Fire health and safety course and where we had to try to ignite petrol
if the petrol is a pool and the road is not porous then the light would simply go out.
If the road was porous and the petrol soaked in it might catch light, but you'd have to throw that lighten fag out very quickly as petrol evaporate's very quickly.
It's petrol vapours that are the worse of catching fire and exploding as they have all you need a spark, plenty of air and of course the fuel.
I went on a Fire health and safety course and where we had to try to ignite petrol
A pool of petrol would not ignite? Are you serious? Try it Eileen but I won't be held responsible for the consequences lol. You are correct in that its the vapour that is the dangerous bit but to say a pool of petrol will put itself out is a bit daft Afterall, how does a petrol engie run if petrol puts itself out??? Yes I know the injectors/carbs atomise the fuel... A pool of petrol will generate a constant supply of vapour and as the flame burns, the pool will heat, causing even more vapour... Maybe you need to retake the course or try a different one if they told you that lol
Cheers,
Andy
Afterall, how does a petrol engie run if petrol puts itself out??? Yes I know the injectors/carbs atomise the fuel... A pool of petrol will generate a constant supply of vapour and as the flame burns, the pool will heat, causing even more vapour... Maybe you need to retake the course or try a different one if they told you that lolCheers,
Andy
Lets Drift
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A pool of petrol would not ignite? Are you serious? Try it Eileen but I won't be held responsible for the consequences lol. You are correct in that its the vapour that is the dangerous bit but to say a pool of petrol will put itself out is a bit daft
Cheers,
Andy
Andy I've done it :lol: it's because there's not enough oxgyen the petrol drown's the flame.
Okay large metal tank petrol throw in a lighted match and the match is drown I did it myself on the course after the fire officer did it first and then asked us to do the same thing