Why aren't you a member of the Z Club?

[zedhead260]

And those companies with Banners on this site - or ads in the club mag - don't count, as they are not being endorsed by the Club in any way are they?

I see it as advertising, it builds revenue for the club to enable it to continue the production of its magazine and all the other expenses brought on by running a club, doing shows etc.

Adverts are accepted in "Good faith" trade or classified "no liability will be accepted by the Editor or Publishers".

Take a look in the left hand column, page 3 of the latest magazine - it's all there in black and white.

Oh sorry, you don't have one do you - not being a member an all

 

[grolls]

Oh sorry, you don't have one do you - not being a member an all

grolls gobsmacked!!!!!

 

[Albrecht]

I see it as advertising, it builds revenue for the club to enable it to continue the production of its magazine and all the other expenses brought on by running a club, doing shows etc.

The point is that ANY advertiser will naturally be seen as being in some way *endorsed* by the Club - whether that be true or not, and quite apart from any get-out clauses or smallprint.

To write that ".....The Z Club does not advocate, support or endorse any particular company......." is probably the correct thing to do legally, but does not reflect what actually goes on - does it? If you think that nobody is influenced by what members write on this forum then you are mistaken.

I was also pointing at the plugging that goes on in thread on this website ( not raising any revenue for your club whatsoever ) which is there for all to see, and once again definitely relays an image of acceptance / endorsement by the Club to the 'outsider' who may view it. Maybe this is somewhat subliminal, but I reckon that the people who see this the most clearly are not part of the Z Club 'clique'.

Contrast this plugging with the slagging that one Z Club magazine advertiser received on this forum last month. This turned out to be pretty much unwarranted ( a fact admitted by the very people who started it! ) and fairly feeble apologies were given by the instigators, but not even linked to the original thread. I don't see how all of that could be allowed to stay unmoderated but then this latest dispute from 'Chris' be moderated almost immediately. It does not look even-handed to me. The view from 'outside' will surely be to wonder exactly which Z-related trader Chris had his dispute with, and to be fearful of dealing with all of them, no?

A website like this - intended as part of the Z Club - needs to consider very carefully what its 'members' are allowed to post.

Adverts are accepted in "Good faith" trade or classified "no liability will be accepted by the Editor or Publishers".

Take a look in the left hand column, page 3 of the latest magazine - it's all there in black and white.

Maybe that is in the club magazine, but I don't see it on this site. Maybe you could point it out to me?

Once again I think this Forum is being mistaken for being a part of the Club when the truth is that the gate is open for all to enter. I can't imagine a situation where a letter from a non-member of the Club would be published in the club magazine without close scrutiny by the Committee or at the very least the magazine editor. Contrast that with what goes on in the Forum.

Oh sorry, you don't have one do you - not being a member an all

I have the great luxury of you making my point for me. Thank you.

No I am not a member of the 'Z Club'. I started looking at this Forum just to see what was being written, and before I thought about it too deeply I found myself posting here too. At no point during that Forum registration 'sign up' process do I remember being asked to join the Z Club as a full member, or being informed that joining the Forum implied an obligation to join the Club. Registration and 'membership' of this kind of Forum is just a couple of mouse clicks away for us all these days. I am a 'member' or registered user of several, and for the most part such a 'membership' or registration is a casual and inconsequential matter.

I suspect that there are probably a few others who subsequently found out that they were "Freeloaders" like myself. Until this Forum is completely locked down as a 'Z Club Members Only' facility I think this will continue to happen.

 

[grolls]

Albrecht, i just read your comments above and also the one about you not being a member of the club, i am trully gobsmacked at that only for the very simple reason that the Z is so obviously very deep routed within your heart. I would have thought you of all people would be " out there" in the car world expanding our obvious limited knowledge on the history of the Z and how it transpired.

 

[Albrecht]

.....I would have thought you of all people would be " out there" in the car world expanding our obvious limited knowledge on the history of the Z and how it transpired.

I am indeed "out there", thank you.

This thread really ought to be less about me and more to do with this Forum and the Club that it is supposed to be an annexe of.

I'm sure that the administrators of the site are working on making this Forum a 'Z Club Members Only' facility, and that in due course it will be locked down as such.

In which case it really will be all over Casanova as far as posts from Albrecht are concerned.

 

[STEVE BURNS]

albrecht
well which one are you voting for

I am a member, thank you very much!
I would like to join but don't know how to??
I don't see the advantages of joining!
I am put off by the price.
I am already a member of another Z club and wouldn't join two.
I live abroad and don't see the advantage of joining?
I disagree with the way the club is run


or is it to simple for you.

why not become a member and come on the committee and help put things
right

Tell you what I will personally pay your first years membership fee in exchange for the goertz write up that you have been promising to do,
for how long is it now

there you have put the hook out and got me to respond and got me disrupting the nature of this thread

that should please you no end

as i said in my previous post give me a ring on 0208 575 0582 to discuss any thing that has upset you in the past but it seems that you would rather play to a greater audience

 

[grolls]

I am indeed "out there", thank you.

i wasn't extracing the perverbial!


.[/QUOTE]This thread really ought to be less about me and more to do with this Forum and the Club that it is supposed to be an annexe of..[/QUOTE]
your wrong mate this thread is exactly about ppl like you....not wishing to start an argument!

.[/QUOTE]I'm sure that the administrators of the site are working on making this Forum a 'Z Club Members Only' facility, and that in due course it will be locked down as such..[/QUOTE]
if that is the intention of the club, be it drastic, something has to be done to preserve the club and and the ppl who are obviously Z lovers like yourself .

.[/QUOTE]In which case it really will be all over Casanova as far as posts from Albrecht are concerned. [/QUOTE]
that would really be a shame mate, the datsun era will only survive because of ppl much like yourself. i feel it would be a sad day to loose your input in such a rare line of excuisite design, but if the club was to ever fold, god forbid, it would be a nail in the coffin for the z and im sure you and others would hate to see that happen in this country...

 

[zedhead260]

The point is that ANY advertiser will naturally be seen as being in some way *endorsed* by the Club - whether that be true or not, and quite apart from any get-out clauses or smallprint.

It may be seen as such by you, but it is not the case - hence the small print. However, just flicking through Retro Magazine's adverts - I don't see them as endorsing its advertisers , do you ?

To write that ".....The Z Club does not advocate, support or endorse any particular company......." is probably the correct thing to do legally, but does not reflect what actually goes on - does it? If you think that nobody is influenced by what members write on this forum then you are mistaken.

It is most definately the correct thing to do legally and is does reflect what goes on "We are not associated in any way with any other club, business or organisation".....small print again

I was also pointing at the plugging that goes on in thread on this website ( not raising any revenue for your club whatsoever ) which is there for all to see, and once again definitely relays an image of acceptance / endorsement by the Club to the 'outsider' who may view it. Maybe this is somewhat subliminal, but I reckon that the people who see this the most clearly are not part of the Z Club 'clique'.

But it isn't plugging by "The Z Club", it's done by members (and some non-members). Just because Username X decides to tell everyone how good Trader Y is on these forums, doesn't mean "The Club" is endorsing them.

Contrast this plugging with the slagging that one Z Club magazine advertiser received on this forum last month. This turned out to be pretty much unwarranted ( a fact admitted by the very people who started it! ) and fairly feeble apologies were given by the instigators, but not even linked to the original thread. I don't see how all of that could be allowed to stay unmoderated but then this latest dispute from 'Chris' be moderated almost immediately. It does not look even-handed to me. The view from 'outside' will surely be to wonder exactly which Z-related trader Chris had his dispute with, and to be fearful of dealing with all of them, no?

A website like this - intended as part of the Z Club - needs to consider very carefully what its 'members' are allowed to post.

I agree, this board is for discussions. If it is ok for members to say how good something is, then likewise it should be ok for members to say if something is bad. Something for the Committee to discuss

Maybe that is in the club magazine, but I don't see it on this site. Maybe you could point it out to me?

I don't think it is here, but it should be. Russ, a job for you my friend.

Once again I think this Forum is being mistaken for being a part of the Club when the truth is that the gate is open for all to enter. I can't imagine a situation where a letter from a non-member of the Club would be published in the club magazine without close scrutiny by the Committee or at the very least the magazine editor. Contrast that with what goes on in the Forum.

It is part of The Club, it's a big part of The Club. For now it's a part that is open to non-members. My opinion is that not all of it should be, that decision rests with The Committee. However, member or non-member, I still accept individual opinions regardless

I have the great luxury of you making my point for me. Thank you.

Well, I thought that much would have been obvious to everyone here, it didn't need pointing out - just me being cheeky (hence pink face)

 

[zedhead260]

This thread really ought to be less about me and more to do with this Forum and the Club that it is supposed to be an annexe of.

I'm sure that the administrators of the site are working on making this Forum a 'Z Club Members Only' facility, and that in due course it will be locked down as such.

In which case it really will be all over Casanova as far as posts from Albrecht are concerned.

That will be a shame, you have a lot to offer.
I'm not sure what it is about you that makes you not want to join, perhaps you are a bit hard up and cannot afford that extra £25/ year
But don't answer that, like you say, this thread isn't about you.

 

[Russ]

Seeing as we are off topic a bit anyway

The Z club accepts no responsibility for any transaction that occurs as a direct or indirect result of an advert placed on this forum. The Z Club cannot and will not vouch for any goods or services sold or purchased.

You agree to that when you sign up to this forum, however it isn't visible to guests. With the introduction of traders forums and banners maybe we need to include it more, but where do you draw the line? I guess a note in each trader forum, should the banner link to a disclaimer that then links to the trader? Sounds overkill to me. I think we need to look to other forums or websites for an idea, but I don't remember seeing anything elsewhere.

Back on topic...

 

[mick daniels]

Hi,

Apologies for butting in, but I just want to answer the original question about membership.
I joined the website well over a year ago but only started posting recently. The reason , i didn't use my computer in over a year because of other things in my family life that took priority . Then I traded my old z in for a new one and it renewed my enthusiasm big time

I do live abroad , but It's only out of pure laziness in the past couple of weeks that i havn't paid the 25 quid, which tonight i've rectified.​

I can only say it's a pittence for the valuable advice, entertainment and insight into a car which has been very close to my heart since i was around 12 years old. I've had 3 Z32's since 1999 and have only ever seen two of the early Z cars in Ireland, a 240 and a 280, in my lifetime.​

Trying to juggle between my job, two little kids and a Demanding but understanding wife, i find the couple of hours peace i get at night is usually spent looking at Z sites and often this one.​

Apologies for not introducing myself properly before.​

 

[Russ]

Welcome aboard Mick

 

[parmenter]

Member Or Not!!!!

I find it quite strange that people donot want to become a member of the club??? 25 pounds a yr by christ what alot of money that is i always thought the forum is purely an extension to the club as we move into modern times but as far as i am concerned the `CLUB` has been very good to me since 1988/1989 i have met many people from all around the world since my obsession with the z/zx started but not all the times have been fun as life itself !!! ohhh that is too deep but at the end of the day anyone who has access to a computer can join any forums & post which is the idea but alberccccchtttt who ever it is!!!!! why not come on the committee etc & help out as it seems you have alot to say on different things especially the club etc but i think just like the GRAND MASTER MR B. i cannot understand what u have against the club?? or am i reading too much into this

 

[SeanDezart]

Guys, The Z Club is NOT the be al and end all of Z knowledge ! This should have been realised a long time ago when internet started up - fault no 1 of the clubs' committee !

Fault no 2 - our site should have been locked down ages ago !

Fault no 3 (subjective) - problems between members and traders, either pros or gung-ho angle-grinders should be brought out into the open when the traders and/or members approach the club ! If the club needs to take legal advcie as to whether or not any legal proceedings will be affected by open discussion, then seek that advice. If the advice is no, no problem then the club can act as a mediator, seeking in the best interests of ALL to help find a working solution.

If the club doesn't do this, I find it a bit superficial to be claiming to be a big happy Z family !
I also support those who are website members and haven't paid to be club members - why should they ? I pay only out of loyalty to a club who's provided me with all my friends in the UK. Otherwise, I'm only on the site and I could always scrounge a copy of the mag !

Going back to the 'Chris thing' as it was referred to me, Chris, your email was rather vague about work to be done on the car and what proof the judge inspected to arrive at his decision ! If you want to eail me with the complete story, I'd appreciate it !
But I hope you know, no-one here is going to do your 'dirty' work (excuse the expression) - it's your judgement a

 

[SeanDezart]

and your fight ! I would recommend that you do go ahead and do what you threaten, then you'll see some reaction by the membership to force a more constructive reaction from the club to help prevent such a long-winded episode. An episode that had it been solved in some fashion a lot earlier, wouldn't be on this OPEN site for all potential Z owners and club members to see ! And don't say it's Chris' fault for bringing it all up again, it never went away !

Sad then that this episode has lost the club at least 2 members (Chris AND the trader), just when we need all we can get !

Get ya nails and hammers out !

 

[Legendary5]

Sad then that this episode has lost the club at least 2 members (Chris AND the trader), just when we need all we can get !

This is just as in the real world….. the victim is publicly known and the offender is called ‘trader’… give him a name!!!

 

[SeanDezart]

More petrol on the fire - c'mon Z Club, this can be sorted out !

 

[SeanDezart]

Chris,
email me please what I asked for at sdezart@appia.eiffage.fr - I can't access the other in the week !
Sean

 

[STEVE BURNS]

for all people reading this
Chris on one of hisemails states he dosn't want to name the trader at this time

 

[SeanDezart]

well obviously that might affect his chances of legally getting his money back ! Which means that his real course of action is to seek to bankrupt the trader and claim anything in the yard and/or his house, clothes off his back etc !
No-one here is going to try to force the trader to give him his money !