needing loan z432 on ebay !!

432 FOR SALE IN NSW

432 On Ebay Australia - Classic Zcar Club

To cut a long story short, the 'seller' on eBay is just dangling a little bit of bait and hoping to catch some other business of it. He doesn't have a 432 to sell to anyone, and is just showing a few pics of one that passed through a major Japanese auction. The 'price' is something he dreamed up, and would not really buy you a derelict project 432 for major restoration, let alone a half decent and genuine car.......

Someone who does stuff like this is the last person you should ask to source you a car from Japan.
 
So what is a nice example worth then ? also how many where produced in total ?

Somewhere around 450 cars actually built, with around 420 of those sold to the general public. Exact figures as to survival rates are not really possible, as privacy laws in Japan can work against the gathering of the data and not all surviving cars are registered with the authorities at any one particular time. I was in a private storage building last year where 3 'PS30' Z432s were kept, and only one of them was registered and wearing a current number plate.

Prices are rising. Some of the very best cars are changing hands privately for undisclosed sums. If you buy from a respected dealer you can expect to pay well over 5 million JPY for just a reasonable condition car that will probably need a fair bit of work, but the better cars are commonly being advertised at figures over 10 million JPY now. Current exchange rate for JPY to STG is around 150, so a 10 million Yen 432 would be around £66,500 or so.

Bear in mind that 432-specific parts are also changing hands for high prices, and that a full engine rebuild carried out by a professional specialist can easily cost 2 million Yen and up.

And 432R prices can make the above look like small change.........
 
Somewhere around 450 cars actually built, with around 420 of those sold to the general public. Exact figures as to survival rates are not really possible, as privacy laws in Japan can work against the gathering of the data and not all surviving cars are registered with the authorities at any one particular time. I was in a private storage building last year where 3 'PS30' Z432s were kept, and only one of them was registered and wearing a current number plate.

Prices are rising. Some of the very best cars are changing hands privately for undisclosed sums. If you buy from a respected dealer you can expect to pay well over 5 million JPY for just a reasonable condition car that will probably need a fair bit of work, but the better cars are commonly being advertised at figures over 10 million JPY now. Current exchange rate for JPY to STG is around 150, so a 10 million Yen 432 would be around £66,500 or so.

Bear in mind that 432-specific parts are also changing hands for high prices, and that a full engine rebuild carried out by a professional specialist can easily cost 2 million Yen and up.

And 432R prices can make the above look like small change.........

http://www2.zhome.com:81/History/432Z.htm

450 ish built and 420 sold to the public ? What happened to the other 30 odd ? Did you include the PS30SBs in the quote of 450 ?
 
SeanDezart said:
I say Albrecht old chap, would you mind answering some questions for me please? I really would be most grateful, thank you!

You wrote something along the lines of 450 ish built and 420 sold to the public? Now forgive me if this seems impertinent, but what may I ask happened to the other 30 odd? The numbers don't seem to tally. Did you happen to include the PS30SBs in the quote of 450, I wonder?

Thanks awfully ( in advance ) old bean.

Sean,
Around 30 PZs and PZRs ( a nice rounded off figure ) were manufactured, but not sold to the general public. That's because they were used internally by Nissan, and quite a few of them ended up as race cars.

The figure of 450 or so does include PZRs ( PS30-SBs ), as their body serial numbers are mixed in with those of the PZs ( PS30s ) and they used the same 'PS30' prefix code.

But not all PZs and PZRs were firewall-stamped......
 
Sorry for missing out all the toady stuff - I was in the car at the time.....:eek: and check back - I never refer to you as Albrecht, most disrepectful in forgetting your title !

Again, without wishing to impose impertinence and risk slanderous lawsuits and cold-shoulders, can these round 30 be shown, be proven ? The mythical figure bandied about in the world is 420 until some geezer from North London (and I repeat, North of the Thames) quietly slips in a new total whilst quoting 420 as that quantity SOLD to the public !

Another Nissan 'grey' area of accounting and especially record keeping ?

I believe you but why ?

And why do you quote PZs and not PSs ? Japanese misintrepreation of romain letters ?

These 30 were not rallye cars then ?

I most graciously beg upon you my liege Count to indulge me once more although every answer you give throws up even more questions........;)
 
speaking of which, how are we progressing with yours? :bow:

My attention was taken by other things over the last year or so, and I haven't done much on it. However, the engine is ready to be put in along with the transmission, and the only major component waiting to be made or bought is the replica PZR type 100 litre fuel tank. Not that I can afford to actually fill that up........ :unsure:
 
Again, without wishing to impose impertinence and risk slanderous lawsuits and cold-shoulders, can these round 30 be shown, be proven ? The mythical figure bandied about in the world is 420 until some geezer from North London (and I repeat, North of the Thames) quietly slips in a new total whilst quoting 420 as that quantity SOLD to the public !

I think around 420 total 432s and 432Rs 'sold' by Nissan ( not all to the 'General Public' ) is a fairly well accepted figure from those in the know these days ( note that this does not necessarily include me! ), but it is also known - by insiders of the period - that 432s and 432Rs were turned into race cars in-house and / or provided to race teams in complete or semi-complete state. It looks as though that figure is around 30 cars and / or 'identities' - hence a total of something like 450 built.

I know it all sounds rather cryptic, but this was Nissan's business and not ours. The machinations of deals between different sections of the Nissan organisation would have been hush at the time ( for good reason I think ) and you can imagine what the beancounters would think of it all if they were allowed the opportunity to get a handle on it, let alone a physical paper trail. It's not actually any of our business, even after all these years.

No, the 432 and 432R numbers don't include any works rally cars. Even though the pre-'72 season build 240Z works rally cars used some 432R-type body pressings, FRP panels and componentry ( and you could be forgiven for calling them 432Rs with L-series engines ), they were not given 'PS30' prefix firewall stamps - which stands to reason, given the homologated model was the HS30 and HLS30.

'PZ' and 'PZR' are internal-use Nissan 'nickname' codes for those models. There's no spelling mistake. You see this used in period internal Nissan literature, and it's really just a type of informed shorthand that makes a lot of sense when you see more of it. Other acronyms are 'ZS' ( also seen as 'Z-Std' ), 'ZL', 'ZA', 'HZ', 'HZA', 'HZS', 'HZG', 'HZGA', 'HZSA' etc etc etc.......

I think you could pretty much guess what they all mean, even if you don't have the literature in front of you.
 
Did Nissan invent SMS speak.......?

Thanks - all that we can genuinely count upon is that there must have been more 'cos those 420 were in public hands and theoretically road registered ('though I do note your garage visit of three cars).

Do you REALLY believe in internal smoke-screening - is that really Japanese practice - I thought they they were team players, accounting to the next rung up - this smacks of idealism, individuality ?

240Z - "one small step for mankind............" coincidence ?
 
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