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Climate Change?
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zedache
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Climate change is one of those things that, whatever anyone says, can't yet be proven to a) exist because of human activity, or b) exist because of natural changes that the world goes through. I have become very disillusioned with politics and politicians - they don't worry about us or the world's problems - they are just in the politics 'game' for what they can get out - if whatever they are campaigning about could get them votes that is what they will do. If it is beneficial that is just fortunate.
As has already been commented - they should be showing us the way forward by example - but how did they all arrive at this recent eco (and every other) meeting - in limosines and aircraft! Also there are (to use a well coined phrase) lies, damned lies and statistics. To someone who knows a little more than you do these can be used to show or prove anything.
Surely more important is the continual and continuing use of the world's finite resources (oil coal gas etc). Being finite means these will run out - whether in 20 years or 200. (which will end the climate change debate anyway). This is something that cannot be denied. How will we run machinery? How will we transport things? It will mean a reversion to more localised farming methods and way of life - or choosing costly alternatives. Our future lies in the scientists hands. Finally, what does it all matter anyway. When the sun eventually fails that will be the end of life as we know it ...Jim.
Cheers all
Z
As has already been commented - they should be showing us the way forward by example - but how did they all arrive at this recent eco (and every other) meeting - in limosines and aircraft! Also there are (to use a well coined phrase) lies, damned lies and statistics. To someone who knows a little more than you do these can be used to show or prove anything.
Surely more important is the continual and continuing use of the world's finite resources (oil coal gas etc). Being finite means these will run out - whether in 20 years or 200. (which will end the climate change debate anyway). This is something that cannot be denied. How will we run machinery? How will we transport things? It will mean a reversion to more localised farming methods and way of life - or choosing costly alternatives. Our future lies in the scientists hands. Finally, what does it all matter anyway. When the sun eventually fails that will be the end of life as we know it ...Jim.
Cheers all
Z
grolls
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Zarudi
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I have to say, im very surprised about the levels of ignorance on this forum. To deny that global warming is not getting significantly worse because of human activity is quite frankly sticking your head in the sand and using that as an excuse to continue living in an un-ecological way. So far the arguments against the human factor have been taken straight from right-wing trash journalism and the most well constructed discussion points (thanks Ped) have been clearly established by reading/listening to as much about the topic as possible.
The main reason for lack of action at a political level is the amount of money that is generated by controlling the resource distribution and the fact that they are almost always in the pockets of the major energy companies that have a massive say in political agendas all over the world. Take the winter fuel bill subsidies for elderly people - basically an indirect payment from the government to the energy companies dressed up as if they are being kind to cold people!
I understand that we have all got used to a particular standard of living but everyone has to work together to take steps to reduce carbon emissions, the excuse of "they don't do it so why should i" is just childishly ignorant. To deny ice shelf reduction, receding glaciers and sea levels rise that has increased dramatically since the industrial revolution can only be described as naive, so rather than digging your heels in against some fundamental changes that will have to happen in order to attempt to reverse the consequences, prepare yourself and try and start to make adjustments now.
The main reason for lack of action at a political level is the amount of money that is generated by controlling the resource distribution and the fact that they are almost always in the pockets of the major energy companies that have a massive say in political agendas all over the world. Take the winter fuel bill subsidies for elderly people - basically an indirect payment from the government to the energy companies dressed up as if they are being kind to cold people!
I understand that we have all got used to a particular standard of living but everyone has to work together to take steps to reduce carbon emissions, the excuse of "they don't do it so why should i" is just childishly ignorant. To deny ice shelf reduction, receding glaciers and sea levels rise that has increased dramatically since the industrial revolution can only be described as naive, so rather than digging your heels in against some fundamental changes that will have to happen in order to attempt to reverse the consequences, prepare yourself and try and start to make adjustments now.
Zarudi
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That's not recycling, your household rubbish goes to landfill!
SeanDezart
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You're right - I believe it all but what is the alternative to carbon based made electric power ?
I won't stop driving my car, I don't want to pay 'eco-tax' that merely allows the richer people to pollute all they want as usual - as per certain countries now and I don't want to pay more for the goods I do buy.
I won't stop driving my car, I don't want to pay 'eco-tax' that merely allows the richer people to pollute all they want as usual - as per certain countries now and I don't want to pay more for the goods I do buy.
ollyc
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This is yet another form of control, the same as religions and politics. What they are saying is in no doubt correct yes but that’s as a result of having BILLIONS of people on a planet which is not intended for such size. We are using up the resources of the earth granted. Taxing us on everything is not going to help! WATER is running out faster than coal and I know which I prefer to have!
Zarudi I feel your "ignorant" comment farcical if you want to slow and or decrease the effects of global warming pollution and carbon emissions then you must start by slowing the growth in population NOT by increasing the amounts of bloody tax and cutting the amount of bags we have! The planet moves in cycles it has done before and will do again it is call EVOLUTIONARY CHANGE, the earth had a similar but polar opposite a few million years ago remember when the dinosaurs died as they forgot there hats scarves and bobble hats??? Oh bring that up in church see how the people that think the guy with a big beard created the earth in 7 days then did SOD all for 2009 after???? Pull there other one.
At the end of the day the over population of the earth is too blame stop breading, stop hand outs, stop benefits, stop kids having kids! then bang on about the problems with the earth for who else here realises that in 50 yrs there will be so many basterd kids all rejects of Jeremy Kyle looking for places to live! The world does not have enough inhabitable space! Where are they going to go???? The real problem is not a CARBON emmition the real problem is no one has the balls to say STOP BLOODY BREEDING.
At the end of the day I do not try to do harm to this earth but your fighting a loosing battle and to be on here calling us lot ignorant has really hit my bloody last nerve!!!!!!
Zarudi I feel your "ignorant" comment farcical if you want to slow and or decrease the effects of global warming pollution and carbon emissions then you must start by slowing the growth in population NOT by increasing the amounts of bloody tax and cutting the amount of bags we have! The planet moves in cycles it has done before and will do again it is call EVOLUTIONARY CHANGE, the earth had a similar but polar opposite a few million years ago remember when the dinosaurs died as they forgot there hats scarves and bobble hats??? Oh bring that up in church see how the people that think the guy with a big beard created the earth in 7 days then did SOD all for 2009 after???? Pull there other one.
At the end of the day the over population of the earth is too blame stop breading, stop hand outs, stop benefits, stop kids having kids! then bang on about the problems with the earth for who else here realises that in 50 yrs there will be so many basterd kids all rejects of Jeremy Kyle looking for places to live! The world does not have enough inhabitable space! Where are they going to go???? The real problem is not a CARBON emmition the real problem is no one has the balls to say STOP BLOODY BREEDING.
At the end of the day I do not try to do harm to this earth but your fighting a loosing battle and to be on here calling us lot ignorant has really hit my bloody last nerve!!!!!!
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SeanDezart
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http://zclub.net/forum/anything-everything/16054-top-gear-4.html#post142670
The arguments about climate change are irrelevant - it's happening. Stop wasting so much effing energy working out who did it and work towards ways of reducing the effect on our planet. Riciculous to tax everyone - just stop producing those items that pollute - more money won't cure it !
No-one wants to work togther it's all one for all and one for one.
You want to stop breeding, allow starvation and viruses and other do some natural selection - you're going down a dodgy path - what you really need is a big war where billions die...........sort of Mad Max !
The arguments about climate change are irrelevant - it's happening. Stop wasting so much effing energy working out who did it and work towards ways of reducing the effect on our planet. Riciculous to tax everyone - just stop producing those items that pollute - more money won't cure it !
No-one wants to work togther it's all one for all and one for one.
You want to stop breeding, allow starvation and viruses and other do some natural selection - you're going down a dodgy path - what you really need is a big war where billions die...........sort of Mad Max !
ollyc
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Great plan I'm pretty sure with the amount of un protected sex these stupid scroats are having the disease and virus level is that of pandemic level. As for war is that not Iraq??? OOOOoooooooooooooooo I wonder what the carbon emisions of that have been? But now thats a cat and some pigeons isn't it!
SeanDezart
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Iraq is a police action and hasn't the oil flow been reduced thus reducing our capacity to burn it all off ?
vpulsar
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I doubt anybody here is denying that the climate is changing or that the ice shelves are melting, Even though in Canada this year the sea ice was thicker than it had been for over 10 years
.What we want is proof and not the kind of proof shouted at us all by bloody Eco activists or scientist that have their own agenda's, What caused the last ice age ? was it man. NO it wasn't.
By the way I'm not against going green in general it think it makes sense, I'm just sick of this new bloody religion being rammed down my throat by the minority who seem to be on a mission to control the majority of us.
Last time I looked we still lived in a democracy though you'd of never guessed
.Another thing I find offencive is the fact that you lot think that you can win the argument by sounding clever, You treat normal people like they''re idiots and think the use of a few big words make you right.
Rob
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vpulsar
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As far as the breeding thing goes I agree their is far to many people being born, Especially in the poorest regions of the world, And we're supposed to pay for all of them by giving to one charity or another, They wheel out the pictures of the starving children to make us give but never suggest doing anything about them breeding, Castrate the lot of them I say.
I wish I had done the same to my 3 eldest daughters, I've been divorced over 15 years and I'm ashamed of the way their mother bought them up, All 3 are unmarried with a kid in tow, And you and I are paying for a roof over their heads, I'm ashamed of all 3, It would of never happened if they had lived with me that's for sure.
It's all so easy in this nanny state that we all live in these days.
Rob
I wish I had done the same to my 3 eldest daughters, I've been divorced over 15 years and I'm ashamed of the way their mother bought them up, All 3 are unmarried with a kid in tow, And you and I are paying for a roof over their heads, I'm ashamed of all 3, It would of never happened if they had lived with me that's for sure.
It's all so easy in this nanny state that we all live in these days
.Rob
SeanDezart
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Fix the source of the problems not treat them with band-aid and paracetemol.
Mr Ex
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SeanDezart
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Little fact to put things in perspective :
French Oak as tree-trunks is sold here, shipped to China where it is processed as parquet flooring then re-shipped here and sold at half the price of same oak processed here.
What do you think the average customer will buy ?
Profit rules this world and, as every civilisation before us we ARE doomed only we're taking the planet with us !
French Oak as tree-trunks is sold here, shipped to China where it is processed as parquet flooring then re-shipped here and sold at half the price of same oak processed here.
What do you think the average customer will buy ?
Profit rules this world and, as every civilisation before us we ARE doomed only we're taking the planet with us !
Ped
Club Member
Well, as everyone can see from this thread, this is why the Copenhagen summit did get much further forward.
No one wants to see pollution, raised sea levels or over population, but no one can agree what to do about it. Until China and the US get their act together I am going to do what my own conscience dictates. That, at the end of the day, is all any of us can do.
No one wants to see pollution, raised sea levels or over population, but no one can agree what to do about it. Until China and the US get their act together I am going to do what my own conscience dictates. That, at the end of the day, is all any of us can do.
SeanDezart
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My conscience dictates that as soon as the weather is better and my Z has been tuned for more power and worse consumption, I'll be out there burning more irreplacable fossil fuel.
My house is 80% heated by wood, we seperate our rubbish for recycling, throw food waste to our chickens and our cats naturally control the local rodent population.
The USA imports its' oil to conserve its' own supplies whilst burning coal to produce the nations' electricity....apart from the Hoover dam built over 70 years ago - we haven't moved forward very much.
For the first winter since 15 years, France with all its' nuclear stations has had to import electricity with the risk of burning out several major power lines. There are 15 stations down for maintenance and repairs - lack of investment they quote !
If someone would design the internal combustion engine to run on water.........and build batteries capapble of being easily replaced at your destination with others pre-charged that allow a distance of at least 400 miles..........
I run my diesel van on average 6500 kms per month because it's too expensive to employ someone else to cover two of my furthest sites - hey, I don't pay and I get Club Total points to swap for gifts and DVDs in their catalogue. But when I see the air force practising above on low-level flights etc, I wonder how much THEY burn up in ONE flight - just thetake off must cost a small fortune and isn't it jet aeroplanes injecting greenhouse effect gases direct into the higher skies that are killing off the ozone layer the worst ?
Like most policy, it has to come from the top and they're not willing - neither am I and being preached to and taxed upon isn't going to change me - I want to see some serious combined efforts to save humanity from those whom we voted in !
My house is 80% heated by wood, we seperate our rubbish for recycling, throw food waste to our chickens and our cats naturally control the local rodent population.
The USA imports its' oil to conserve its' own supplies whilst burning coal to produce the nations' electricity....apart from the Hoover dam built over 70 years ago - we haven't moved forward very much.
For the first winter since 15 years, France with all its' nuclear stations has had to import electricity with the risk of burning out several major power lines. There are 15 stations down for maintenance and repairs - lack of investment they quote !
If someone would design the internal combustion engine to run on water.........and build batteries capapble of being easily replaced at your destination with others pre-charged that allow a distance of at least 400 miles..........
I run my diesel van on average 6500 kms per month because it's too expensive to employ someone else to cover two of my furthest sites - hey, I don't pay and I get Club Total points to swap for gifts and DVDs in their catalogue. But when I see the air force practising above on low-level flights etc, I wonder how much THEY burn up in ONE flight - just thetake off must cost a small fortune and isn't it jet aeroplanes injecting greenhouse effect gases direct into the higher skies that are killing off the ozone layer the worst ?
Like most policy, it has to come from the top and they're not willing - neither am I and being preached to and taxed upon isn't going to change me - I want to see some serious combined efforts to save humanity from those whom we voted in !