Brave New Z world

SeanDezart

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I've just been over on a parts/friends visit and something struck me this time (no, not a pollution crazed seagull) that hadn't before :

There is a level of finishing apparent in peoples' Zeds that, although present 10 - 15 years ago was rarer and mostly exclusive to very expensive cars or those specifically for different forms of off/closed road competetion !

Now, it's not like the value of Zs has leapt up to the point where the investment can be recovered in the event of... but as if owners' personal values of their cars has increased !

10-15 years ago, people were content to have a Z that drove, went well, caught some admiring looks and perhaps won a best Z trophy at an outing.
Now, the emphasis seems to be about personal pleasure in going that bit further and knowing that the car, albeit it not perfect is bloody close !

Time and money is being spent on cars whose level is way above that that I knew when I left the UK in '93.

I met people making their own alluminium front grilles, carbon accessories, efficient and good looking strut braces. The paint work is of a better standard, bumpers and rubbers are almost spotless and then again there is the engineering on the cars themselves.
Internet has certainly a lot to do with it - the large prolification of ideas, comparisons and options (I will say my dear Count that the language barrier - written word, has probably accounted for the reduced direct influence from Japan - a great shame !).
But it is members that have acted upon those ideas and made some of the best Zs in Europe (I'm cinvinced) whereas before, several cars I looked at in the early '90s were pretty but superficially and not much evolved from the 2.8 and twin SUs/triple Webers !

Bravo to a country of gifted Z amateurs who are leading Europe !
 
Weren't we in a recession 15 years ago ?

Perhaps people just have a bit more money to chuck about these days.
 
Maybe Rob - I thought that there was simply more credit to chuck around these days :)

But more money doesn't explain the attention to detail and the quest for 'ultimates', whether it be drag competitions, rallying, HSCC stuff, very well prepared and finished road cars. Or simply just A Smith annonymous who wants to do the best he/she can for his/her car ; money doesn't buy taste or excellence (I think) !
C'mon, look at all the hybridz, the developement of L series engines, the number of Zs out competing - money does limit the choices but there are people out there...doing it 'cos they want to !
 
SeanDezart said:
But more money doesn't explain the attention to detail and the quest for 'ultimates'
I think it does unless the person is doing everything themself. Top quality paint and finish costs top money. If you want your chosen paint shop guy to achieve a glass like finish, you have to pay for his hourly rate to do that.

Forged 89mm pistons don't come cheap...and would you like H section rods to go with that sir ?
Jenvey throttle bodies, LS V8's, Quaife diff's and Wilwood brakes all cost a substantial amount of money.

But do agree that money doesn't buy taste, however taste is purley subjective so even the most tasteless (in your eyes) could still be of outstanding quality.

Yeah, more credit and equity from rising house prices.
 
But Rob - there ARE people doing all this work themselves and besides I agree to differ - there is more to it than just more money !
 
I think we've all been watching discovery channel too much :)

You see what the boys in the States are up to on the fifth or so different programs and gets you inspired. It looks really easy out there with specialists everywhere, here you tend to rely more on old boys in sheds to get the best jobs.

I think the tools and such to do it are also more common, and with the net everything has become a bit easier. Whereas 15 years ago you had a monthly mag to pull info from and maybe a few local enthusiasts, now you have the whole world at your finger tips. My next project is a car rotisserie. I could buy one for £1000 from Frost (well I couldn't), or I can use some plans I found on the net and take them to a fabricators, £250 later I have the ability to turn my car on it's side for the underside work. All that because one lazy Sunday I was looking through Google and bumped into it.

Anyway that's my 2p, 15 years ago I was 7 so what do I know? ;)
 
But the will to search a little harder for perfection IS there now :) And I welcome it as it takes Z ownership outa the dark and perhaps it's the string of mag articles that reward that ?
 
, here you tend to rely more on old boys in sheds to get the best jobs.

You have no idea Russ how true that statement is with regard to one "old boy" in particular. Commercial sensitivity prevents me from explaining further.
 
The man is living the dream - there aint no story !

Gifted amateurs out there doing it - I told you !

Oh, if people doubt me, get off your butts and go visit - don't just rely on events to meet people !
 
I think if I had the space and some of the skills to reach perfection, the job would never get done. My car has already been off the road far too long and I still have to farm out 50% of the work.

I just want it on the road and using it. I'll make some compromises to acheive that sooner and I can tell you it won't be perfect, but it'll be good enough (for me).
 
Pmac: Well next time I ring you remind me to ask you about the story
Yup I will do!!!
The man is living the dream - there aint no story !

Gifted amateurs out there doing it - I told you !
The person in question is no amateur. He is a fully time served craftsman similar to the guys who Russ has worked with in his spare time.The story is quite interesting in its own quaint way.
When people like him retire properly then we are all in trouble, cos the next generation are not being trained in these skills.
 
Sadly, that's true in many, many areas.

From enthusiasts who know cars inside out (and can work on them without needing a computer and a PHD), to the millions who would rather shove crap into a microwave than spend ten minutes peeling potatoes...
 
Yep, no one can be bothered to do anything themselves any more, and everyone is being trained to work in IT :(

Oh well, least the Zs are getting better :)
 
Russ - the point is that some ARE doing it for themselves AND doing it very well !

Others are (like me) not doing it but are expecting a higher quality finish than was seen when you were playing doctors and nurses :)
 
Sorry, that was a bit of a sweeping statement. I meant life in general. Basically whereas I suppose years ago you'd have a go yourself, nowadays most things are farmed out, for instance the stop cock on my uni residence house needed adjusting. Rather than spend two minutes fixing themselves the owner (who lived there!) got a plumber in, he was incompetent so it took three times before they gave up on him, and then I fix it by bending the bar with my foot.

Maybe it's not all doom and gloom and I never lived 30 years ago, but from what I gather people seemed to have more common sense back then :)

Anyway I'm glad you are expecting the best for your Z :) Maybe we can show up a few cars at shows like E-types and others.
 
I'm looking to show up a few cars (like E-types, 911s...) etc on the roads !

My car won't win any prizes at shows and that doesn't interest me at all - cars are for driving AND NOT JUST IN STRAIGHT LINES !
 
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