convert it to what, an 'exotic' MGB !!!!!!!!
i prefer this definition of exotic when applied to Zeds.........
2. Intriguingly unusual or different; excitingly strange
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convert it to what, an 'exotic' MGB !!!!!!!!
i prefer this definition of exotic when applied to Zeds.........
2. Intriguingly unusual or different; excitingly strange
Martin W
Well-Known Forum User
when i was 17 i owned my 1st Z im now (37) back then the ppl i new, new about cars like this and other,s but i think tel is rite younger ppl are mostly interested in the fast and the furious type things and some of the Zs don't fit this idea so there will be less interested in the early cars
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
There you have it - the NFS effect is what will happen when this film comes out - a whole new generation will say - I want one !
Why should I want prices to go up ? I'm not selling mine, it isn't a rhd anyway and it would mean that I would have to pay more if later I should want a clean US shell.
I want peoples' perception and appreciation of these cars to increase - here and outside in the real world !
Monetary value is only a secondary factor in the appreciation of classics - if it's worth more, people will take more care.
tel240z
Club Member
Well maybe thats one of the 5% Ouote (iv'e just got the estimate for the paint job) whats your cut? as i presume martins painting it, although i suspect you doing it for the love of another Z
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
I don't take a cut - I do it for the good of Martin, the glory, a Z friend and of course complete exploitation of his car on car stands in the future to attract more Zedders !
For transparency :
1/ Respray consists of Windows, panels, lights etc. removed.
2/ Remove all paint to bare metal, followed by sandblast and epoxy primed.
3/ All rust removed with welded repairs.
4/ Fit up panels to check fit, alignment and correction of gaps etc.
5/ Refinish in customers colour choice.
6/ Final refit of all panels and parts
7/ cavity wax injection.
Finish will be similar to the guepe if Romain wants to call in sometime, that's mirror like finish but not the perfectly flat PANEL mirror finish of Sylvain's ( oh and yours)
5400 euro including paint, (if you want a Sylvain finish you could add 2000 min.)
PLUS window rubbers if needed and subject to only a reasonable amount of rust repairs needed.( if you get my drift)
This is for the Z, two spoilers and four ZG arches, only one spoiler fitted and no arches (to be done at a later date).
devil Z version 1
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devil Z version 2
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Ian Patmore
Well-Known Forum User
Where is Our Dear Leader......?
Mr Ex
Inactive
You are SO right ! The Devil Z will bump up the profile AND bring in a lot of younger fans.......and demand for cars ! These are people who've never heard of the term 'jap-crap' - they never know British Leyland slogging it out with 120Ys - they see a product, thay want one and they've been brought up to expect what they want if they pay for it !
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Talking of Jap crap, that is what people my age thought back in the late '60s early '70s about m/bikes & cars but some of us soon learnt the error of our ways, some of those people are probably still of the same view.
Young 'uns today want a cheapish quick car that has ready made bolt ons so enter the Z32.
The 350,370 has a new breed of owner who thinks Jap tec is the best so that's what they buy unless they are already a Z owner.
(When we were young you wanted electrics & otherstuff made in England, but now you want it made in Japan)
Which leaves the 240/260 which is left for us that learnt the error of our ways.
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
So right and we all buy Japanese cameras now !
The 350 and 370Z owners are the most likely modern Z owners to go 'backwards' and want a 240Z ! More than any other current (later model) Z owner - they are the ones (imho) who'll make the heritage connection.
What I mean is - most 240Z owners buy upwards - next model or skip a couple. The 350/370 ones will buy downwards but direct to the 'base' model.
Time will tell !
The 350 and 370Z owners are the most likely modern Z owners to go 'backwards' and want a 240Z ! More than any other current (later model) Z owner - they are the ones (imho) who'll make the heritage connection.
What I mean is - most 240Z owners buy upwards - next model or skip a couple. The 350/370 ones will buy downwards but direct to the 'base' model.
Time will tell !
Mr Ex
Inactive
I think the opposite, I think the 350/370 owner will stick with that & get more BHP out of it then maybe get the newer model when it's been out a while.
I can't see anyone brought up on modern technology buying a 240/260. That is like going back to a b&w tv coz the licence is cheaper.
Going back to the must buy British in the old days I would now rather buy a Japanese name that says made in Taiwan.
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
I love this - it opens our eyes.
You don't think that the later model buyers will become bored of sat nav, thick carpeting, Bose stereos, and generally 500+ kgs more than an S30 for what is essentially a track-day car ? Loads more traffic, speed restrictions means it's less and les fun to own something purely on the road..........
I know what's coming but let's hear it........
You don't think that the later model buyers will become bored of sat nav, thick carpeting, Bose stereos, and generally 500+ kgs more than an S30 for what is essentially a track-day car ? Loads more traffic, speed restrictions means it's less and les fun to own something purely on the road..........
I know what's coming but let's hear it........
ollyc
Well-Known Forum User
Hold your horses
I've had my 280zx since I was 24 now I'm 26 and still have her I'd say I'll still have her when I'm 36. Have had her in the family since I was 15. I have also got a very tuned Saab 9-3 and 2 highly tuned bikes, Hard work and using my brain bought me these and using my brain and hand eye co-ordination I tuned them myself. So I am in the 5% bracket howerve I do also like the flip out tv option. But when I was 16 I bought a 1972 (if memory serves) MG Midget and if the insurance, and reliability hadn't been such issues that was to be my first car.
I've had my 280zx since I was 24 now I'm 26 and still have her I'd say I'll still have her when I'm 36. Have had her in the family since I was 15. I have also got a very tuned Saab 9-3 and 2 highly tuned bikes, Hard work and using my brain bought me these and using my brain and hand eye co-ordination I tuned them myself. So I am in the 5% bracket howerve I do also like the flip out tv option. But when I was 16 I bought a 1972 (if memory serves) MG Midget and if the insurance, and reliability hadn't been such issues that was to be my first car.
tel240z
Club Member
'' Hard work and using my brain'' YEP thats the 5% im afraid it takes dedication to own and keep a classic on the road, or off for that matter, somthing thats lacking in society today, computres and must have gadgets seem to take over gone have the days when people bought a car for what it was, its all about equipment thats in it, the car is just a comodity to any car showroom or salesman
How do you install the want in people to buy a Z ? which is the question in the first place
How do you install the want in people to buy a Z ? which is the question in the first place
JEZ 280ZX
Well-Known Forum User
You can't...To most of the population they're just 'rusty' old Datsuns of little interest...and they probably always will be!
At least it gives the cars some exclusivity to those that do like them!
ollyc
Well-Known Forum User
Thats the same as saying how do you get people to want to buy a soul? In a nut shell you, I nor this club can make any one want to do anything. We are not a control. The Want you refer to had to come from within and thats nurture not nature as in this society you are correct it is a must have disposable generation. Keeping these cars on the road IS the fun for most of us. I know for me its the pleasure of ownership as well as knowing what the car looks like in bits! Sadly these days the average car user (see what I did there) plonks said car in the garage and pays a bill thrashes it or worse just uses it and then either sells, scraps, P/x or writes off the car. The ethos of this club is to keep a marque alive and we have chosen one with a terminal cancer and sever love of rusting when your not looking! So in a nut shell the answer is you can't make any one want to own a Z and worse if you do get a boom in the numbers of NEW blood owners that DONT look after them or worse write off scrap what have you then that will be infact a down turn for the club and numbers of Z in general. The old horse to water, cant force to drink.
At the end of the day yes increasing poularity and awareness is key but increasing the cars that stand a chance of been neglected or smashed is not good.
There is a fine line and the last thing that is needed is a "max Power" revolution towards these cars
Great for screwing Clarkson but not good for longevity of the older models. One thing that has happened here is its re lit the flame in the club and raised a lot of new ideas which is as always a hats off moment to Sean.
At the end of the day yes increasing poularity and awareness is key but increasing the cars that stand a chance of been neglected or smashed is not good.
There is a fine line and the last thing that is needed is a "max Power" revolution towards these cars
Great for screwing Clarkson but not good for longevity of the older models. One thing that has happened here is its re lit the flame in the club and raised a lot of new ideas which is as always a hats off moment to Sean.
zbloke
Club Member
I think allot of people want a Z, but the lack of availability of good useable Z's, the cost of a good useable Z, if they can find one for sale, and the hassle/cost of a long term restoration if they don't get a good Z is enough to put prospective Z owners off
Mr EX is right, most 350/370 owners would not want to buy down ,you only have to watch TopGear to see that they have no respect for the older car,i think what puts alot of people off, is the datsun badge.if you rebadged a 240/260 with Ferrari badges people would think it was a real Ferrari.when young people ask me about my car i tell its a nissan as if i tell its a datsun they do not have clue what i am talking about.
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
Good point - if it's not easy and off the shelf - people move onto something else !
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
Not knowing what a Datsun is is not the same as the perception that Datsuns are cheap family hatchbacks !
Better that peoples' views are '0' then enlightened than trying to convince the established crowd that Datsuns deserve a better press !
THIS is why I sent our calender to the magazines bought by younger car enthusiasts !
You're all gonna end up in anoraks with beards.
Better that peoples' views are '0' then enlightened than trying to convince the established crowd that Datsuns deserve a better press !
THIS is why I sent our calender to the magazines bought by younger car enthusiasts !
You're all gonna end up in anoraks with beards.
tel240z
Club Member
Not knowing what a Datsun is is not the same as the perception that Datsuns are cheap family hatchbacks !
Better that peoples' views are '0' then enlightened than trying to convince the established crowd that Datsuns deserve a better press !
THIS is why I sent our calender to the magazines bought by younger car enthusiasts !
You're all gonna end up in anoraks with beards.
and your going to end up restoring lots of Zs making them an off the shelf purchase i can see it now
DEZARTS DATSUNS
I can see where this is going you testing to see the demand for the z so you can corner the market