James May and Damon Hill drive my 260Z!

[STEVE BURNS]

I HAVE congratulated him, defended the 'goodness' of it......do you not want that treasured banter with it or should banter only be in its place and time.....wherever that is.

It's called socialising Mr Burns...why you and I joined - remember ?

What I don't like is not giving credit when it is due

 

[Albrecht]

....some great publicity....

Great publicity for what? No really, what? I honestly and sincerely have no idea what you are talking about.

What I don't like is not giving credit when it is due

Well, welcome to my world. But in this instance, credit for what, and to whom?

Seriously.

 

[SeanDezart]

What I don't like is not giving credit when it is due

FFS when and where did this not happen ?

Do you mean not praising Duncan and Rob ?

Sorry guys, Duncan no longer comes on here - Rob - brilliant job....what we need now is the club going out to the mags and not the other way around.

A dedicated press person could achieve that don't you think ?

 

[Matt Long]

If I may, I would like to offer a perspective I feel many people have but unwilling to express publicly.

Put personal perspectives or good intent to one side. Or even the fact that what is said is 100% factually correct. Now read this thread again through the the eyes of a newcomer to the club.

It's akin to attending someone's wedding and seeing people discussing out loud why the Bride and Groom are completely unmatched, why the bride is too old or too fat for the groom and what a pointless wedding it is. How on earth did they meet? what a ridiculous way to meet!?

Then they bang on and on about it, bringing in lots of valid and factually correct arguments to embolden their position. Then when the other guests kindly ask them to turn the volume down, they take offence and retort with: it's my opinion, it's a free country, if you don't like it, don't listen, maybe you can't handle the truth (OK, so those weren't the exact words used but you get the gist).

Absolutely right, in an open forum everyone has the right to freely express views however that must surely be tempered with wisdom and courtesy for others. Sometimes not saying anything gains far more respect than saying whatever you feel like even if correct.

This is just a gentle, polite request to allow Riddler to have his day and let the rest of us enjoy the thread and the limelight shed on the Z without the joy being sucked out of it with arguments that while utterly correct, achieve nothing whatsoever.

I'm certain this post will draw much fire and wrath but I just wanted to bring balance to the force!

As a relative new comer, this is pretty much spot on how it is, there seems to be an element of technical guru's who will flame a wrongly posed question or the slightly different opinion than theirs. When they can chime in and offer much needed advise they "keep their powder dry" for, I assume jumping on someone's opinion that isn't theirs.
When you have so much knowledge and only spend time sucking the enjoyment of a post like a black hole sucking in light, it must be time to re-evaluate.
Anyway
Great to see the car on the telly, well done.

 

[STEVE BURNS]

Well, welcome to my world. But in this instance, credit for what, and to whom?

Seriously.

Do quite not understand what you mean by welcome to my world
In this instance credit a z owner for following up an inquiry to allow his car to be used on national TV and even more credit for altering his holiday to ensure it took part
Do you not think this deserves a little bit of praise

 

[SeanDezart]

guru's

Meaning please as in the plural ?

MY powder is out in the open mate, rain, warts an' all.

 

[SeanDezart]

Great publicity for what? No really, what? I honestly and sincerely have no idea what you are talking about.

The expression 'all publicity is good publicity' springs to mind.

You still don't get it - never mind, turn the page, watch some crown-bowling - at least there is a clear winner there.

 

[STEVE BURNS]

FFS when and where did this not happen ?

FFS Sean the whole world and this forum does not revolve around you and what you post
I am sure you do it at times in an attempt to wind people up so they reply on here but sometimes it can work the other way and they just want a peaceful life

 

[Albrecht]

When they can chime in and offer much needed advise they "keep their powder dry" for, I assume jumping on someone's opinion that isn't theirs.

Would you like to elaborate what your problem with that quote is, please? What exactly is your problem with it?

I wrote that a day or so ago in reference to photos of a car I happen to know a fair bit about. I can't - won't - say all that I know about the car, but I've written a bit about it and have probably written more than the people concerned would like me to have. I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't, of course.

What exactly would you advise I do in such a situation, apart from another virtual pat on the back and the usual "great car!", "nice photos!" and "fair play mate!" comments?

 

[SeanDezart]

FFS Sean the whole world and this forum does not revolve around you and what you post
I am sure you do it at times in an attempt to wind people up so they reply on here but sometimes it can work the other way and they just want a peaceful life

No - it is NOT my intention to wind people up, hasn't been for over a year and I regret that you continue to think so.

I also do NOT consider that The Z Club revolves around me or that I am any more (or less) important than any other club member or forum member.

I don't see whay you're singling ME out here - I don't know (anymore ?) what YOU want from me. I've only ever been positive from the start about this TV article.

If it's because I voice an opinion - then damn me but don't expect others to pick up the void if I shut tf up - the silent mass remains so, stuck in their own apathy and lethargy.

I'm passionate about our marque, Alan is too and a lot of others whether they speak up or not.

But all of us are different, see things differently and enjoy that passion in our own ways - vive la différence and bring different aspects to the forum....to share.

Can't always agree with one another so not always happy-slappy....but here and active.

So please, tell me what you want from me and I'll try to be the perfect club-clone.

 

[Dale]

I'm too young to have grown up around when the S30 was first released and I don't recall ever seeing one after I became aware of cars being more than just a scratched up metal toy with wheels that I pushed around the carpet shouting "brum brum". It was only ten years ago while searching for a 350Z that I happened upon this website and seeing an S30 for the first time. I didn't know anything about them but instantly decided that I was having one, even though I knew it wouldn't be the relatively practical car the 350Z would, especially as I was planning to use the 350 as a commuter. It didn't matter, I was having a 240 or a 260Z.

My point is that it was simply from the look of the car that I made my decision, I didn't need to know any history of the marque. If I'd seen that TV show ten years ago it would probably have had the same effect, and for that reason I think it was a good piece.

You could say that it was lust at first sight, and only after I lived with it, learned more about it and it's past, that the lust grew into love.

Oh no, I've gone too far...

 

[Matt Long]

Would you like to elaborate what your problem with that quote is, please? What exactly is your problem with it?

I wrote that a day or so ago in reference to photos of a car I happen to know a fair bit about. I can't - won't - say all that I know about the car, but I've written a bit about it and have probably written more than the people concerned would like me to have. I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't, of course.

What exactly would you advise I do in such a situation, apart from another virtual pat on the back and the usual "great car!", "nice photos!" and "fair play mate!" comments?

I'm sure no one expects that from you, I've only been here for a short while and I don't, it's a shame that the knowledge is out weighed by the criticism and negativity

 

[Albrecht]

I'm sure no one expects that from you, I've only been here for a short while and I don't, it's a shame that the knowledge is out weighed by the criticism and negativity

You haven't answered a straight question with a straight answer. So I'll ask again, what exactly is your problem with that quote?

 

[Albrecht]

My point is that it was simply from the look of the car that I made my decision, I didn't need to know any history of the marque. If I'd seen that TV show ten years ago it would probably have had the same effect, and for that reason I think it was a good piece.

OK, so wind forward to a theoretical situation today where somebody has just seen the very attractive and really rather special UK market car in question on the programme and wants to own one.

If they come onto this forum asking for advice, what are you going to tell them? Are you going to wish them good luck in their search for a similar car (as they are going to need it...) or are you going to recommend they look at the next best thing which, at this point, appears to be an LHD car imported from the USA?

As I've pointed out, I think many prospective owners will look into it a little, discover that it's all a little bit difficult, and then drop the idea. I've spoken to quite a few people who have struck up a conversation with me about my own cars, and the majority of them just would not have an LHD car. It surprises me, but for many people it's a non-starter.

You found one, but it's not so easy today is it?

 

[Pete]

Look at me,look at me, look at what I've written, it's all long and complicated.

 

[Dale]

OK, so wind forward to a theoretical situation today where somebody has just seen the very attractive and really rather special UK market car in question on the programme and wants to own one.

If they come onto this forum asking for advice, what are you going to tell them? Are you going to wish them good luck in their search for a similar car (as they are going to need it...) or are you going to recommend they look at the next best thing which, at this point, appears to be an LHD car imported from the USA?

Well I'm sure it would both. Everyone is different and the more info they have then they can decide what's best for themselves. Old Zeds cannot be exclusive in their rarity all these years on. If you want a rare car and a good example then patience will be needed, which I suppose proves your below point.

As I've pointed out, I think many prospective owners will look into it a little, discover that it's all a little bit difficult, and then drop the idea. I've spoken to quite a few people who have struck up a conversation with me about my own cars, and the majority of them just would not have an LHD car. It surprises me, but for many people it's a non-starter.

That's no doubt correct. I myself wouldn't have entertained LHD when I was first on the lookout, although that opinion has now changed I know the cars.

You found one, but it's not so easy today is it?

No it's not, and I am lucky to have one, and a not so expensive one comparing to today's price. But good ones do come along. Those two white 240zs spring to mind.

 

[Pete]

Whoops, nearly forgot,nice car Riddler, congrats getting it on telly.

 

[RIDDLER]

Just to move away for a moment from the debate about Z availability, and return to the original thread about the show, here is a little video you might find interesting.
Before the filming got under way with James and Damon, a professional driver hired by the BBC - namely GT Championship racer Phil Keen - took my car round the track to check it out and to test sound levels etc.
He asked me if I wanted to ride with him and naturally I said yes.
He wasn't driving at full racing speeds - I had asked him to limit himself to 4500 revs as I didn't want the car thrashing ahead of filming - but for someone like me who has never been on a track it seemed scarily fast! I saw the speedo pass 100mph several times and the speed at which we went into the bends was pretty terrifying.
I couldn't believe how well the car stuck to the track as I did my best to grab some video footage on my phone.
As is always the case, the video fails to convey any real sense of speed. I was literally hanging on to the door handles at times but on the film it just looks like we were cruising round.
We were going far quicker than I would have dared but I never felt in danger which was testament to Phil's expert driving.
Anyway, I have loaded it to YouTube so here is the link. Crank the sound up and enlarge to full screen for the best effect. At least you will be able to hear the car - even a bit of tyre squeal on some corners!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPybJlsRbuQ

[youtube]DPybJlsRbuQ[/youtube]

 

[SeanDezart]

Cool ! So what did Phil think of the Z ?

 

[RIDDLER]

He told me he had never seen one before - though he had heard about them. He said he was very impressed with it. I think his exact words were: "For a 40-year-old car I couldn't believe how well it handled."