V8 240 or 2.8 240?

[SeanDezart]

The Samuri orange/brown is A '70s COLOUR

Prove itc - what are the paint codes? from what era ?/ maufacturer ? ie what other cars had them as standard that Spike copied ?

and white shows up the rust

so, don't have a rusty Z ! And if you say it shows up the dirt (like black) - clean your car !

and as for green I remember when your green 240 was owned by Sue Lombard,It was a very girlish colour one step away from pink!

Girlish ? Maybe, but it was differen - Girls just wanna have fun !!!

Oh, you're a founding member of the straight six club then ? Anyone remember him ? The Skyline is not at all the same type of engine.......

 

[grolls]

Sorry Tony, if it's any consolation : I'm fed up of seeing dark blue, don't like black and silver / gunmetal is too discreet ! And (may I suffer penitence) the Samuri orange/brown mix ! Probably get a whole lot more abuse now

All this from a person that choses to paint his car in diarhea yellow! wierd!

 

[status]

dont you mean PUKE YELLOW,Cant beat a nice rich burgundy or a nice bright red,red does it for me its my favourite colour,

 

[SeanDezart]

Status - go paint your cute lil' 911 in red then !

Grolls - puke flies faster than blood.........and you'll bleed when I meet you on the road !

 

[Mr Ex]

Don't get bitchy Sean I don't know how long you have been around but if you are into Zs you will know that spike bought FFA in '73 and did it up the same year which means it had 70s colours on namely 110 red with a crysler bronze on top. As for engines I believe in keeping like for like and if I'm not mistaken a Skyline is a straight 6 made by Nissan. I would think I have been around longer than you as I went to all the meetings in the 80s which all seemed to be below watford gap and I don't remember seeing you at any of them.
Old timers I know that are still around are Mike Feeney and Kevin Irons and my red 260 2/2 apears in James Morris's book Super profile.
One final note I think PORCHE RED is the best colour.

 

[Wyn]

Blue, esp metallic imho is good

 

[SeanDezart]

Don't get bitchy Sean I don't know how long you have been around but if you are into Zs you will know that spike bought FFA in '73 and did it up the same year which means it had 70s colours on namely 110 red with a crysler bronze on top.

I would have thought that Nissan 'brewed' up 110 red BEFORE 1970........and for a Chrysler colour to have made it over here, be seen and be available over here in '73, it too was 'made' at least three years previously

As for engines I believe in keeping like for like and if I'm not mistaken a Skyline is a straight 6 made by Nissan.

Yeah, but please don't assume it's like for like - don't confuse the facts.

I would think I have been around longer than you as I went to all the meetings in the 80s which all seemed to be below watford gap and I don't remember seeing you at any of them.

I salute you - if I'd been old enough (or rich enough) to own AND pay for the insurance of a Z as my only car in London, I'd have been there with you. As it was, St Patricks' Days passed again, reminding me of my first car bought that day, 24 years ago Anyway - what is your point here ? You must remember Mr Straight Six Club then ? Should I know you ? What have you done for the club (aprat from being one of it's longest, continual paid up member ?

Old timers I know that are still around are Mike Feeney and Kevin Irons and my red 260 2/2 apears in James Morris's book Super profile.
One final note I think PORCHE RED is the best colour.

Mike has evolved, now owning a Z33 - you and your car are still in the '80s (blacked out chromework and Ford Escort mirrors) - I know longer hear of Kevin - shame.

Red ? Porsche red ?

 

[ZHead]

110 red with a crysler bronze on top. .

The Chrysler bronze was actually a Rootes colour called Tan-Go, it's Berger paint reference number was 404.9581 and it's Berger order reference number for 1 litre used to be 75243293.

The Berger codes were used because of the demise of various companies (and entities like the Rootes Group), obsolescence of various colours etc. Berger as a paint manufacturer was able to supply and match.

 

[SeanDezart]

And the origin date of the Bronze or rather Tan-Go ?

 

[ZHead]

And the origin date of the Bronze or rather Tan-Go ?

Who cares ? It was the colour Samuri used and Spike painted FFA with it - I also have old magazines with pictures of Samuris in from that time period.

Does it matter if the paint originated as a new colour in 68 / 69 / 70 / 71 etc ? It may well have been a much older colour, I don't know, all I know is the reference code needed to match it

 

[SeanDezart]

Sorry ZHead - don't mean to be a pain (I'm a natural) - it's in reference to Mr Ex who claims it's a '70s colour and I think it's a '60s colour !

But, then........why do YOU want to know the reference ? Going to do your next project in genuine Sam colours

 

[ZHead]

Sorry ZHead - don't mean to be a pain (I'm a natural) - it's in reference to Mr Ex who claims it's a '70s colour and I think it's a '60s colour !

It may well be late 60s or early 70s, I don't know but does it really matter ? Was 110 red first seen in the seventies or had the factory used it in the late 60's ? Were any of the early '69 S30s available in 110 ? I don't know. Was Tan-Go 60's or 70's ? I don't know. Was Samuri's use of the two colours together to form a two tone colour scheme 60's or 70's ? Definitely 70's.

But, then........why do YOU want to know the reference ? Going to do your next project in genuine Sam colours

No I am not, neither is my existing project going to be in the correct Samuri colours either. Bear in mind that Samuri did various different paint jobs, all two tone and all with white pin striping to separate the two paint colours. Not all Sam's were 110 and Tan-Go.

 

[SeanDezart]

No I am not, neither is my existing project going to be in the correct Samuri colours either. Bear in mind that Samuri did various different paint jobs, all two tone and all with white pin striping to separate the two paint colours. Not all Sam's were 110 and Tan-Go.

You're getting lazy again with the quote button

And yes, I agree, the blend of two colours was definiteley '70s.

You said "various" paint jobs, I can think of two - the obvious and the blue/silver ! Were there more ?

 

[ZHead]

I believe so although I don't know - bear in mind the "modus operandi" of Samuri at the time and that it was run on an incredibly short shoestring. Whatever was at hand was used, whatever supplier would still supply was used, etc etc I do know that suppliers changed because credit facilities were withdrawn and certain parts were used "because they were available".

Don't quote me because I have not asked Spike directly so I may well be totally wrong but it would not surprise me to find that the only reason Tan-Go was used in the first place was because there was some kicking around or because it was cheap.

 

[SeanDezart]

That wouldn't surprise me and in no way detracts from what he did and the cars' interest and value. Even racers' make do with what they have (260Z shells...them being heavier an' all than 1973 Zs

Maybe my old green (pinkish ?) and silver one was Samuri derived......

 

[ZHead]

I think you are right - there are legendary tales of a mystical tuning guru, there are also less savoury tales about business practise but at the end of the day, with precious little resource, Spike managed to build some very noteworthy cars and upset many much more affluent racing teams.

Big Sam is known all over the world....... now a replica might be nice

NO Sean..... I am not building a Big Sam replica .......

 

[SeanDezart]

Ha, ha - Big Sam IS a replica !

 

[ZHead]

Ha, ha - Big Sam IS a replica !

You spotted it..... didn't think you would Maybe not a replica but a shadow of it's former self.

 

[Mr Ex]

Sorry Tony, if it's any consolation : I'm fed up of seeing dark blue, don't like black and silver / gunmetal is too discreet ! And (may I suffer penitence) the Samuri orange/brown mix ! Probably get a whole lot more abuse now

Sean I don't know why you are getting hot under the collar YOU was the one who said what colours you didn't like.
I didn't have escort mirrors on as you have stated and as for being a long continual member I had a break during the late 80s early 90s and I didn't join the club until '82 even though I bought my first Z in 1980.
As for saying that mike has moved on are you saying that all us 240/260 owners should move on and let them rot away and what models have you got? Some of us can't afford the latest models or prefer the originals because they are easy to work on.
As for asking what I have done for the club if it was'nt for us members who pay our subs every year there wouldn't be a club.

 

[Yokohama]

I believe cars should keep the original type of engine. You wouldn't find a 911 owner changing the engine would you? NO. But I would accept a Skyline engine in a Z because it's still a straight 6.

That’s right! The RB is really a direct evolutionary descendant of the L-series, so using it is really not that much out character for the car.
The RB is nice, but don’t forget that a 3.1 stroker motor can make over 600 BHP with the right hardware. Even the stock L28ET with mild prep can make mid-300’s.

Still, a V8 can deliver massive power for cheap, but I am not a fan of them, but I can understand the reasons. If I were going to V8, I would get a Nissan V8 from something like a Q45.