Premature cancellation????

We actually had a phone call from someone at the Billing site saying that we could have used the carpark to have put the cars on. So it must be bad if they are suggesting that. So even if we had done that where would we have put the tents and marquee. Most tents only stay up with the use of guide ropes in the ground. Can someone explain to me how you keep guide ropes in a wet field, as far as I am concered it doesn't work.
Would you have been happy to have had your tent ruined, your car filthy and stuck in mud. everyone's clothing ruined. The marquee people may not have even been able to have put it up at all, so where then would we have put the entertainments?
The decsion was made after quite a few discussions by the committee and had to be made in advance. We had been watching long range weather forcasts covering 15 days and also 30 days forcasts for the area and it looked like the ground was never going to have the 7-10 days worth of dry weather needed to make the gound acceptable for all concerned.
I would much rather the club to have cancelled than have gone ahead with an event only to have been dissappointed on the arrival day by not being able to stay in such a water logged field. Surely if the field is being pumped off it has to be really bad. The Billing site is surrounded by a river/stream so you can imagine easy it would flood.
 
There is a difference between being in pain and being in a field that is so water logged that you would propbable not even see your feet by the end of the day..................................
Sorry can you tell me where the committee lied and blamed the Billing management. I must have missed it.
 
. Its fair to assume the decision was not taken lightly and certainly in the best interests of all the club members,
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Agreed and noted already in my previous post.
However it is also fair to ask how this decision was made.
my opinion and hence this thread is that the decison was premature and based on poor background information.
 
pmac said:
Agreed and noted already in my previous post.
However it is also fair to ask how this decision was made.
my opinion and hence this thread is that the decison was premature and based on poor background information.
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PREMATURE
Would you rather we left it till the day before we cancelled - how many times do I have to say we felt that we need to make the decision to give everyone a chance of knowing it had been cancelled so no one turns up by themselves (Vini himself has said he hadn't look at our forum, we needed time to get the message across) Not to mention sorting out marquees, entertainments, stpping food orders etc etc etc
Yes this was going to a big party which involves lots of planning and can not be cancelled two days before the event. Not all the committee have access to the web/phones durning the day so we need some time to sort this out.

POOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION
yet again I have stated that we spoke to some who is actually on the site as Billing managment was not forcoming with information (they have a vesed interest, they would be more than happy for everyone to turn up, pay there money at the gate - then for us to have to turn everyine away - would get your money back from them and our names would really have been mud (pardon the pun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Information was gained from on hand report,slooking at as many long term forcasts

5 committee members made the decision over as period of 6 hours and countless phone calls
 
When are you going to stop flogging a dead horse?

I was the one who organised this event. I was one of those who decided to cancel it. We did what we thought was right at the time. The decision was taken in what we thought was the best interests of the club and its members. Not everyone on the z club committee was involved in the decision.

I was the one who contacted a representative of 300zx.co.uk and informed him of that decision. I was the one who explained to him how that decision had been arrived at. I was not the one who put up the post on 300zx club site, that was done before I had the chance.

I have never said to anyone that Billing made the decision. It is unfortunate that what I said was not what was printed but does it really matter? I think not. The facts were correct.

I am not going to get into a slanging match with anyone online. This event has cost me a tremendous amount of my personal (and business time) to arrange. Not a small amount of my own money, and a fair bit of the Clubs and the Shops money which is all down the drain.

Most of you are totally unaware of the trouble that has been caused amongst a number of other car clubs because some shit has gone around trying to organise his own rival JAE event and using the Z clubs event to do it. I have had to carry the flack for that too.

If you have any further gripes then you can talk to me on the phone or in person at JAE, I'll be there and you can get it off your chest if you feel the need.

The Chief Protagonist in these posts is well aware that I am the responsible person and seems merely to be making bullets for others to fire. You know my number.

In the end it was my call and it may well have been the wrong one, only time will tell. This was always the Z Clubs event and it was down to us to make the decision.

My thanks to my committee and to Steve 300zx for their support.
 
Well two posts for the price of one! Pick the bones out of that. And if you're still not happy then there's little else to say.
 
Please let's get one thing straight here.

The ZClub Committee did not lie about any of this.

I can confirm (as it was in fact me that posted on 300ZX.co.uk) that last Thursday my understanding was that the event was cancelled by Billing management. I was incorrect. I recieved the infomation from another 300ZX.co.uk committee member and not directly from a ZClub committee member.

It was simply a breakdown in communication between the two clubs and I take full responsibility for issuing 300ZX.co.uk members with incorrect information.

It was not until the Friday morning, following a conversation with Derek, that I understood exactly what happened, in terms of the chain of events and the decision process.

What I should have done, but didn't, was post on the 300ZX.co.uk board with the correct details. I can only apologise for not doing so. However, as I'm sure you can all appreciate, it has been rather hectic since last Friday.

We need to stop bickering and finger pointing and move forward. This decision cannot be reversed and we must all pull together to ensure the re-scheduled event will still be a big success.

Thanks
Steve-300ZX
 
viniboy said:
OK. I see your point but maybe you aint the only one who cant see further than the end of your nose. This isnt just another cancellation. It was to be the main event of the year for more than just this club and it was cancelled on a whim. No I aint exaggerating
please read my posts - how many times do I have to say this decision was not taken lightly. I don't believe you were involved in the counts phones call etc etc etc so YES you are exaggerating

When it was announced it want said " if the weather isnt good we will cancel" AND (and thats a big and!) all we got was a front page message " Billing is cancelled" on the forum. The committee couldnt even take the time to send out PM.s or E mails to everyone. The 300zx forum did?
Russ has explained what has happen here

Thats how I personally found out otherwise I might have still been going? The weather still isnt proved to be awful but at JAE last year we had what can almost be described as a monsoon and what happened .....everyone just laughed and got on with the weekend. I acctually lost my tent to the storm. Like I said this is the UK and we are used to bad weather.
JAE did not start with a waterlogged field - the downpour did not affect the ground conditions, no one got suck and had to be pulled out. If there is a downpour at Billing on an already wet field conditions are just going to get worse

Nothing is going to be gained from just throwing this subject back and forth and nothing can be done now its too late.

I just want to know why the committee felt it neccessary to lie and blame it on the billing management and not just be truthful at the start?
The Z Club committee has never said this was a Billing management decision - if you read my post you will that I have stated this, this was a mix up on the 300ZX behalf

We have been truthful and I'm not sure were you think we have lied
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yes this is going back and forth but I am trying to give you a full explaination for why things have happen - not everyone is going to be happy, least of all the people who have spent 3 months organising this show
 
Steve-300ZX said:
Please let's get one thing straight here.

The ZClub Committee did not lie about any of this.

I can confirm (as it was in fact me that posted on 300ZX.co.uk) that last Thursday my understanding was that the event was cancelled by Billing management. I was incorrect. I recieved the infomation from another 300ZX.co.uk committee member and not directly from a ZClub committee member.

It was simply a breakdown in communication between the two clubs and I take full responsibility for issuing 300ZX.co.uk members with incorrect information.

It was not until the Friday morning, following a conversation with Derek, that I understood exactly what happened, in terms of the chain of events and the decision process.

What I should have done, but didn't, was post on the 300ZX.co.uk board with the correct details. I can only apologise for not doing so. However, as I'm sure you can all appreciate, it has been rather hectic since last Friday.

We need to stop bickering and finger pointing and move forward. This decision cannot be reversed and we must all pull together to ensure the re-scheduled event will still be a big success.

Thanks
Steve-300ZX
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Thank you for your suport and post Steve
 
personally Steve I don't think it matters that it was reported that Billing cancelled it.

the fact is that we did our best to let people know of the decision immediately.

I was going to copy and paste my post onto your forum but my computer won't let me do it for some reason and I haven't got the time to type it all again.
 
No worries Suzy!

This thread actually made me laugh (even though I know it's not suppose to be a funny). I made me feel like I was on my own forum (300ZX.co.uk).

It's good to know it's not just 300ZX.co.uk Committee members that get shit thrown at them every day.

Sometimes you feel like; even if you were given £500 a week you still wouldn't do it. When in actual fact we do it because we love our clubs and are willing to put in the hours, many hours every week for free.

Never mind!
 
Steve-300ZX said:
It's good to know it's not just 300ZX.co.uk Committee members that get shit thrown at them every day.
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Dammed if we do and dammed if we don't
Sometimes you feel like; even if you were given £500 a week you still wouldn't do it. When in actual fact we do it because we love our clubs and are willing to put in the hours, many hours every week for free.

Never mind!
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Only £500:eek:
 
Hi guys, could we look at dates in early September for a new event? August is a tad pointless due to peoples leave.

Thanks all for trying so hard to keep things together.:thumbs:
 
Derek Sulley said:
thankz Steve, problem is its the same folks slinging the same shit.
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You have done your fair share of shit slinging too mate. You committee members are doing it again all for the best of your membership? A minority is still part of that membership remember that.

Steve we have had our moments and I hope to god we are over that now? But to be fair I didnt start this thread I just am putting forward my opinions and everyone but me and PMac seem to think that this is no big issue? OK yes Derek I do know what you put into this place (if its me you are reffering to?) But TBH you saying that all the time you have put in has been wasted. Well if it was you who cancelled then who has wasted that time? The only reason I got involved is because Pmac asked me to and I said then, that I can not see this going down easy with you lot both 300zx and here. FFS. All I wanted to do was attend a club event and have a good time. This didnt happen and the background wasnt explained very well and not in the proper manner. This arose to questions being asked and then turned into a slanging match because you lot just come back with the attitude as if we aint allowed to ask.
BTW all of you I am not a trouble maker I just say it the way it is or seems and like all forum committees you dont like it do you. You feel you are loosing control of your flock? Its about time you all got real because what happens on here as a roll on effect in the real world, the sooner you realise that the sooner we will all find some common ground on which to live together and get on. Yes my plight might not be as hard as some by not going to Billing but it is obviously more than others. I am and as long as I pay will always be entitled to my 2 pennies worth and thats all you are getting. Not a public excecution just a quest for some answers.

Another thing while I am here. Steve you said you presumed that the Biilling management cancelled? You now say that you were wrong. So how on earth can any of you hold me responcible for arguing that fact? FFS here I go again getting my fooking fingers burned for someone else? Come on Pete. where are you now mate? Lets hear your side of events and dont let me take all the flack please.

I am absolutly livid at the moment with the accusatuions you seem to be throwing. if the job is so damming Give it up for someone else then?

Ill be dammed.
 
Just to put things staraight here.
I did not start this thread. I simply got involved because Pete asked me to. Since then I have upset some people with my views. Sorry but i have lost out big style here. not financially but you know what?
When I just went onto the 300zx site i had a PM from pete saying that he thought it had gone far enough and that the point had been made. Sorry pete but that only leads me to believe that you used me to forward your grief towards the clubs and like a fool I bit. Not good mate not good at all. I aint saying I dont feel strongly about it but I did try and organise some alternative for billing.
 
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