Mambofever
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Big Sam for sale
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This should take some attention away from the VIN Thread. 
SeanDezart
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This should take some attention away from the VIN Thread.
Why ?
" In the ensuing crash Big Sam’s shell was severely twisted and although Percy was relatively unharmed, the Datsun required a complete rebuild. With just over two weeks until the next race a fast fix was needed and the answer lay in another ex-works shell that Gathercole managed to acquire through Datsun UK."
I thought we'd managed to avoid talking Sams for a week but it just isn't possible is it.
JK240
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I've just said on FB, that it's been for sale for ages although perhaps not as actively advertised. And advertised as "in full race ready condition." Last time I saw it it couldn't even manage 2 laps at Donington even with the might of JD Classics behind it. And it'd be interesting to see what they want for it, last I heard it was in the region of £300k..
SeanDezart
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I don't know Paul but the shell was changed indicating that two chassis ID's were involved which seems to be everyone's criticism of a conversion, swap, whatever.....
I know nothing.
Albrecht
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I don't know Paul but the shell was changed indicating that two chassis ID's were involved which seems to be everyone's criticism of a conversion, swap, whatever.....
I know nothing.
As I mentioned to you before (and it got deleted....) this is a case of a vernacular 'identity' (i.e. 'Big Sam') riding on several different cars.
There's no chassis number switching or license plate switching going on in the Brands Hatch crash/'new ex-Works rally car chassis' part of the story. They crashed one car, stripped a load of parts off it and put them on another car. Two separate unibodies with their own unique factory-engraved chassis numbers.
Just think of Big Sam as being like Doctor Who and it starts to make a little bit more sense.
SeanDezart
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I have a rotten (crashed ?) UK market Z - I buy a clean shell, I transfer all my UK bits over and....Q.E.D !
If one agrees with everyone else on another thread, Big Sam is a ringer, should be crushed or at best wear a 'Q-plate'.
.....or we say that it's ok if not done to deceive and the donor I.D is correctly disposed of - eg officially stated as destroyed.
NO exceptions !
Sean, Big Sam is a racing car not a road car so why would the DVLA be interested?
As I mentioned to you before (and it got deleted....) this is a case of a vernacular 'identity' (i.e. 'Big Sam') riding on several different cars.
There's no chassis number switching or license plate switching going on in the Brands Hatch crash/'new ex-Works rally car chassis' part of the story. They crashed one car, stripped a load of parts off it and put them on another car. Two separate unibodies with their own unique factory-engraved chassis numbers.
Just think of Big Sam as being like Doctor Who and it starts to make a little bit more sense
Does that mean it in now known as Big Samantha
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Does that mean it in now known as Big Samantha
We've had that before - Samantha Fox.
If you talked Big Sam in the local they would think of Sam Allardyce and then her - not a Datsun.
SeanDezart
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I never mentioned the DVLA but no, they wouldn't be - I guess it's alright to reshell then but not on the public roads and with an MOT.......because ?
Albrecht
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You're off on another trip again. How is it a "ringer" in that scenario? We have two separate monocoques/unibodies/chassis, and two separate chassis numbers ('identities'). Moving bolt-on parts from one to the other doesn't make it a "ringer" any more than a new paint job would.
I'll write it again: 'Big Sam' is a vernacular identity. A character in a story. A moveable feast, riding on more than one car and more than one chassis number. Just like Doctor Who and the actors (and actress...) who play the character. If Doctor Who doesn't work for you, try James Bond or Sherlock Holmes.
It's not rocket science.
Albrecht
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FFS. It hasn't been "re-shelled" any more than my daily driver Audi was when I changed from an A4 to an A6.
Read it out loud: IT'S A CHASSIS SWAP, NOT A CHASSIS NUMBER SWAP.
Albrecht
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And by the way, despite having had the full story and all the supporting evidence fall into their lap for free when they bought the car, J.D. Classics STILL can't get their head around it all.
The sales blurb is 50% ********, completely expunging Rob Grant and his (extensive and fairly heroic) activities from the story, and STILL carrying on with the old cobblers about the current bodyshell being "ex-Safari Rally", when it was a Monte practice car/high speed tender, 'Press' car on the Scottish driven by Yvonne and then crashed on the Burmah by Shekhar. It was LHD for heaven's sake.
Idiots.
The sales blurb is 50% ********, completely expunging Rob Grant and his (extensive and fairly heroic) activities from the story, and STILL carrying on with the old cobblers about the current bodyshell being "ex-Safari Rally", when it was a Monte practice car/high speed tender, 'Press' car on the Scottish driven by Yvonne and then crashed on the Burmah by Shekhar. It was LHD for heaven's sake.
Idiots.