abusive posting crackdown

Hollow point and The Count : your exchange of having been reported and received your lines to write out before COP Friday highlights my poiints here : if the person to whom comments are being directed doesn't mind/complain, why should someone else step inand press the big, red 'penalty' button ?

Ruddy wallflowers need pampering again ? This is a forum, for debate et al - Parliament is no better or worse, they just use different prose !

So we have to protect the sun-factor 50s by priority - ie preserve decorum 'cos some are more easily upset than others ?

how it's interpretated is down to he who interprates ie the reader and more specifically, he (or she) to whom the reply is directed !

Deliberate provocation aside, there has been since the beginning a reporting button on the top rh side - if he (or she) who is offended reports a post - it should be looked at BUT.....and this is a BIG BUT, let the offended person report what offends them and not others 'defending' someone else in the assumption that they need defending !

I agree that writers have an obligation BUT I'm still scared by over-moderation - it nearly killed off this forum a few years ago.

Be very careful please moderators of your PERSONAL interpretation of any thread feeling.....some of the most entertaining and enlightening threads here have boiled up - let them simmer down again as people let off steam and see sense.

No big hammers just a clear up of the rules, guidelines and penalties.
 
Alex, I will respond to your PM in a momment.

Each person received an infraction for their part in the "my new arrival" threads (parts 1 and 2) for inciting arguments. Each infraction notice was accompanied with a PM that should have explained why the infraction was given, if you did not receive the PM please let me know.
I'm not going to debate the validaty of these infractions in the open forum. Hopefully you will take this slap on the wrist as it was intended and moderate your posts in the future.
 
I agree with the spirit of what is being attempted but not with the application (does disagreeing with 'The Commitee' give an infarction?).
 
I agree with the spirit of what is being attempted but not with the application (does disagreeing with 'The Commitee' give an infarction?).

Of course not. Disagreeing with the committee is a ZClub forum sport!
As long as comments are constructive and not persoanlly insulting I think there's plenty of eveidence that the committee members have the thickest skin on the forum.
 
Extracts from the club rules that have been in place from almost day one of the forum

Please read this, as by making use of the Z Club forum you are acknowledging that you have read, understood and agreed to abide by the rules of this Club and accept the disclaimer at ZClub.net - Disclaimer. It is our intention that the forum is a place for fun, information and light-hearted enjoyment; this should not however come at the cost of ignoring the rights and sensibility of others. Please be helpful and respectful to other forum members. {/quote]

If you find that someone has broken posting rules, rather than biting back and potentially getting yourself in trouble, it's far better to report the offending post and we can sort it out for you.

6. Harassment of another user through the PM system will not be tolerated.
 
All of 40 posts Richard - one assumes with a cleaner forum that we'll see more of you then.........

Nobody disagrees.........but some question the interpretation possible of banter etc

Hi Sean,

Valid point there my friend - yes I only have 40-odd posts to my name; however I have been a subbed member since 2003.....;)

.....But I am no internet addict; and since most of my time online is dedicated to 300zx.co.uk (as those who know me know that, for my sins, I am club secretary over there) I seldom have the opportunity to frequent other internet forums!!

Richard:)
 
[QUOTEAs long as comments are constructive and not persoanlly insulting I think there's plenty of eveidence that the committee members have the thickest skin on the forum.][/QUOTE]


If Albrecht and HollowPoint want to have an on-line punch up then so be it.
There is no need to moderate their online comments as long as the language is appropriate and no one else is harmed during the thread.
I don't mind a punch up between two forum members having a scrap online as they obviously need to sort their beef out but there is no reason to stop us enjoying their patter surely???
Yes, yes I know there will be people who comment on the thread and get miffed at an 'off the cuff' comment but sometimes you have to take it up the ar se and get on with it.

HollowPoint, I have never met 'the Count' although I would like to meet him in person. I have had occasions on this forum felt his somewhat 'entertaining' responses and they have been antagonistic, but when you read again the posts it makes sense .
The difficult thing is to try and take the points mentioned without taking it personally....

I don't ask Albrecht for casual comments, I ask Albrecht for information.
 
If Albrecht and HollowPoint want to have an on-line punch up then so be it.
There is no need to moderate their online comments as long as the language is appropriate and no one else is harmed during the thread.
I don't mind a punch up between two forum members having a scrap online as they obviously need to sort their beef out but there is no reason to stop us enjoying their patter surely???

Very true, so how about when 2 or more forum members start going at it in a thread, move the posts to fight club, PM the protagonists, advise them of this move and tell them if they wish to continue they do so in fight club.......

.......if they kick off again in the thread then points and bans will follow?

All IMO of course
 
Very true, so how about when 2 or more forum members start going at it in a thread, move the posts to fight club, PM the protagonists, advise them of this move and tell them if they wish to continue they do so in fight club.......

.......if they kick off again in the thread then points and bans will follow?

All IMO of course

So long as the fight club is open to non zclub members.......which it isn't currently as the aim is NOT to give the appearance of in-club fighting..........which is what this thread is all about.

This :

It is our intention that the forum is a place for fun, information and light-hearted enjoyment; this should not however come at the cost of ignoring the rights and sensibility of others.

Is SO open to someone elses' personal interpretation and what about the right to free speech and right to reply ?

And again, if two or more are going at it hammer and tongs and keeping it clean (as per Throttletons' point), who's sensibility is being harmed ? The what-if brigade who're afraid that someone might complain or take action against the club for slander.....c'mon guys !

We need more Z32 input here Richard and more voices heard whether they be subbed or not.:cheers:
 
If Albrecht and HollowPoint want to have an on-line punch up then so be it.
There is no need to moderate their online comments as long as the language is appropriate and no one else is harmed during the thread.
I don't mind a punch up between two forum members having a scrap online as they obviously need to sort their beef out but there is no reason to stop us enjoying their patter surely???

Craig, you appear to have fallen into the big hole dug by HollowPoint...

What you are calling a "punch up" between HollowPoint and myself was just a sideshow, and a late one at that ( HollowPoint often seems to have turned up just before the lights get turned off, but anyway.... ). All that vaguely personal stuff, and whether us "Freeloaders" should pay our way or not ( hey, I've already said I'll happily contribute to the forum running costs ) and any of that other spiel was just 'Tits On a Bull'.

What happened with that thread was that a Z Club member repeated a story that he'd first started relating something more than four years ago now. Somebody else prompted the re-telling of the story, and I simply picked up on it being repeated.

That story first appeared on a thread that I had started, and - I'm pretty sure about this - I believe it was initially told as a wind-up ( guess who it was supposed to wind up? ). It doesn't ring true, and no evidence that would back it up has ever been produced. In fact, it's full of rather obvious holes. Especially if you know anything about Japan.

So if - as I'm sure is the case - the whole thing was just a wind-up based around a tall story, then arguments / disagreements and enmity arising out of its re-telling are going to be inevitable. That's the root casue of the trouble. We just saw a situation where the reason for the original friction was quickly glossed-over and obscured, and a sideshow ensued. There didn't seem to be any attempt by the Moderating team to get to the bottom of the original story ( is it true, or is it not true? ) and - in my opinion at least - the whole point was completely missed. People banging on about any Albrecht vs HollowPoint sideshow simply allows the original reason for the kerfuffle to slip away into the night.

So now a couple of us ( or more, who knows? ) have been 'awarded' infractions for what ensued after Elvis had effectively left the building. Even the Moderators and Committee appear to have missed the whole point. The person who continues telling this fairly implausible story as a wind-up, and who told me to "put your money where your mouth is", is bringing the forum - and by extension the Z Club - into disrepute in my opinion. He's not just making a fool of me, he's making a fool of all of you too.




I'm hoping that 'red baron' gets well soon, not least because the spotlight will eventually fall on him again and he might feel the urge to bring the whole saga to a close either by showing copper-bottomed evidence ( good enough to leave no question of whether it's the truth or not ) or 'fessing up to his long-running gag. Perhaps the Committee and Moderators, along with some of his fellow Z Club members, will give him a little encouragement this time...?

'Nice car', by the way 'red baron'. It's a mid-1970 build, not a late-1969.
 
So long as the fight club is open to non zclub members.......which it isn't currently as the aim is NOT to give the appearance of in-club fighting..........which is what this thread is all about

Fair point, but what is the use of having fight club if its not going to be used for....well......fighting?
 
Ah so...Red Baron should also get an infraction by having started all this.............?

This question of 'Infraction' penalties is missing the point. My personal opinion is that it's an extraordinary situation for 'red baron' to be claiming to own a particular ( rare ) model of car, claiming that he's been keeping it in Japan all these years ( with some localised parking difficulty being claimed as the reason ) with all the practical, personal and financial ramifications of that, and yet hardly anybody seems to be asking much about it at all, let alone for irrefutable proof of its existence.

You'd think people would be interested in how he searched for it, how he found it, how he authenticated it as a genuine factory 240ZG, who ( if anyone ) helped him with it, and how he's getting on with the situation. Even how the purchase of his new early USA market car is going to affect the situation with the 'other' car being stored in Japan. And yet, all we hear - after all this time - is that somebody who doesn't use this forum has seen a photo of it....

For a marque car club / forum community, that seems positively bizarre.....





RIDDLER said:
What a ruddy yawn fest

By all means, feel free to start your own absolutely gripping new thread. Tell us all about your latest trip to Wookey Hole, or something. :)
 
I am interested to know more about the ZG but since the 'owner' has ceased to contribute upon this or any other subject (banned ?), how to obtain further information ?

It also appears to be bringing the club into disrepute by asking.....and since you're getting SO far :rolleyes: mon cher Comte...........what can I do better ?

Start a poll, whip up some online signatures for a petition ?:D
 
I am interested to know more about the ZG but since the 'owner' has ceased to contribute upon this or any other subject (banned ?), how to obtain further information ?

I don't think he's been banned ( why would he be? ). As far as I'm aware, he's had some health issues.

The simplest thing to do would be to wait for him to show up on the forum - or at an event - and ask him the same questions again. Either he does own it, and will be able to come up with irrefutable proof fairly easily ( showing someone a photo won't quite cut it... ) or he doesn't, and won't. I haven't seen any of his forum buddies backing up or verifying the story either.

The other possibility is that he might say that he's now 'sold it'....
 
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