Certificate of conformity

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Hi.

Whilst you'll have picked up some useful pointers here, the UKs classic car importation rules, tax and paperwork requirements have always been different to those of the EU, more so since a certain poll was acted upon !

I would advise you to look to the EU and its' citizens' experience for advice upon importing into the EU*

Nissan west Europe (based at Paris) supplies 'partial' cert of conformities for their cars not originally imported into the EU, costing approx €200 and probably** list the information you search.

They are, however, useless for importing such a car into France where the best path is to solicit the French FFVE for a certificat of registration***, accepted by the licencing authorities over here without the need for an indepth technical control which may well conclude that the car is not conforming to the EU safety laws for any vehicule type. This procedure was conceived to deliver verdicts on one-offs, customs and kit cars...not our reguler classic cars and frankly, they're a blend of little-Hitlers and jobs-worths.

*https://www.facebook.com/groups/1409780639325441 and I have been known to import a few.

**exactly what info do you need/for which they have asked ? Above, I could only see a vague reference to info needed to register car.

***this will enable the obtention of a Classic-Car registration document with an 'MOT' every 5x years and of most (if not all ?) inner-city anti-pollution/congestion charges...what's not to like ? :D The most interesting benefit however, is that in the (airline-speak) unlikely event of an accident, if the damage-repair costs approach or exceed the agreed value if the car, it won't be written off and disposed of as per a modern (-30yrs old) car and the insurer is obliged to undertake any and all necessary repairs to restore it to the pre-accident condition. There are normally two conditions required before such an insurance contract is assigned :

1) one has another and non-classic-car insured in your name
2) the classic-car is not regularly used for home-work journeys

To give an example of cost, for TPF+T, zero-miles breakdown cover and glass replacement (eg stone-chipped windscreen) including glass all around and front/rear lights = €80 a year !

Back in the good old days, when I had a problem between papers and car, I would 'export' the car to the UK, get UK (and therefore EU) papers and reimport it - job done !

Perhaps registering it over here and then exporting it to Ireland ? You would need to find out whether or not such a classic-car reg form would oblige you or not to apply for a 'ZV' plate when importing !

Myself, I kinda like the ZV prefix for a Z......are they treated differently from moderns as per here ?
 

Eric Gilligan

Well-Known Forum User
Hi.

Whilst you'll have picked up some useful pointers here, the UKs classic car importation rules, tax and paperwork requirements have always been different to those of the EU, more so since a certain poll was acted upon !

I would advise you to look to the EU and its' citizens' experience for advice upon importing into the EU*

Nissan west Europe (based at Paris) supplies 'partial' cert of conformities for their cars not originally imported into the EU, costing approx €200 and probably** list the information you search.

They are, however, useless for importing such a car into France where the best path is to solicit the French FFVE for a certificat of registration***, accepted by the licencing authorities over here without the need for an indepth technical control which may well conclude that the car is not conforming to the EU safety laws for any vehicule type. This procedure was conceived to deliver verdicts on one-offs, customs and kit cars...not our reguler classic cars and frankly, they're a blend of little-Hitlers and jobs-worths.

*https://www.facebook.com/groups/1409780639325441 and I have been known to import a few.

**exactly what info do you need/for which they have asked ? Above, I could only see a vague reference to info needed to register car.

***this will enable the obtention of a Classic-Car registration document with an 'MOT' every 5x years and of most (if not all ?) inner-city anti-pollution/congestion charges...what's not to like ? :D The most interesting benefit however, is that in the (airline-speak) unlikely event of an accident, if the damage-repair costs approach or exceed the agreed value if the car, it won't be written off and disposed of as per a modern (-30yrs old) car and the insurer is obliged to undertake any and all necessary repairs to restore it to the pre-accident condition. There are normally two conditions required before such an insurance contract is assigned :

1) one has another and non-classic-car insured in your name
2) the classic-car is not regularly used for home-work journeys

To give an example of cost, for TPF+T, zero-miles breakdown cover and glass replacement (eg stone-chipped windscreen) including glass all around and front/rear lights = €80 a year !

Back in the good old days, when I had a problem between papers and car, I would 'export' the car to the UK, get UK (and therefore EU) papers and reimport it - job done !

Perhaps registering it over here and then exporting it to Ireland ? You would need to find out whether or not such a classic-car reg form would oblige you or not to apply for a 'ZV' plate when importing !

Myself, I kinda like the ZV prefix for a Z......are they treated differently from moderns as per here ?


Hey Sean

I also like the ZV plate.. and I will eventually get one! Maybe :D Also just for the Z haha I dont think they are treated differently. I think that the numbers ( years ) came in in the 80s. Maybe I can get a ZV 2000 plate haha Anyway enough about plates!

What they requested is a lot of paperwork. I have attached the document that was sent for registration. Now.. I have everything except No. 1. It didnt come with plates or a log / tax book. So.. my options were COC.

I emailed Nissan Japan and they wont give me a COC but I then asked them to send me a letter containing the VIN, make, model, colour and engine size because... in another section of registering a vehicle in Ireland there is a thing from Revenue saying that if documents are missing then a letter from a vintage club will do. See also attached image for that.
I think maybe I will email Nissan Paris so and get the semi COC as well as a dating letter and a letter from my vintage club.
Might move to France so.. and roll my car into a wall and get it all done up nicely hahah

Regarding the good old days.. I believe there was other ways to work around it .. like scratching out numbers on the log book etc ( anyone have a log book from germany? :p I guess the modern version will be Photoshop ;) ) haha Kidding btw
By over here, I assume you mean the UK? but it might be an option... if all else fails :/
I think that the VRT person on the day ( I wasnt there ) was being a bit difficult as I have letters from the TUV for change of ownership, letter that states there is no outstanding fees etc and another with the make and model on it from another German authority saying that there will be no issue registering it ( in Germany ) A clearance certificate.

Anyway, I am waiting for paperwork I guess for now :/ Just looking now.. what is an export certificate? :D Do you know? Shipping documents no? I am really thinking that she was being difficult as I have a lot of documents and translations but she was specifically looking for the log book! So you can see the other attachment where it says if documents are missing etc etc .. also she wanted to see the car running! Been laying up 10 years... A few people said the person wasnt the best to deal with before I went so... there ya go :D Screenshot_20211030-145832_WhatsApp.jpg Screenshot_20211030-151558_WhatsApp.jpg
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
I'm surprised that this car was exported from the USA to Germany apparently with (if that's what actually happened...) no Title documentation.

Did the seller in Germany not offer you anything in the way of documentation?
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
This may or may not be useful to you in proving compliance/CoC etc, but if you look at the engine bay chassis plate on your car you will see a line that declares compliance with relevant Japanese safety and emissions that were current when the car was made.

Its on the last line of the data plate, and reads 'Ho-an Kijun Tekigo' (Safety Standard Conformity) with standards 0-12 and N4601:

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Eric Gilligan

Well-Known Forum User
Did the seller in Germany not offer you anything in the way of documentation?

The car I believe came from Japan to Germany then to me in Ireland. Never was in America. It was apparently driven in Germany by the owner before the seller....but no.. the only documents he gave me were the ones that are needed to register it in Germany. So that being a clearance certificate, letter stating what the car model is from an official source and that's about all. Yes yes... my stupidity...but there has to be a way to register it...

Regarding the translation of the plate. That's interesting as maybe then the COC is a standard document that can just be downloaded no? Hmm
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
The car I believe came from Japan to Germany then to me in Ireland. Never was in America.

If that was the case then it should have been shipped with a Japanese de-registration certificate and/or a translated version of the Japanese 'Shakkensho' (registration document). If it didn't have these in Japan then it will have been almost impossible to officially export it from Japan. It's not a good sign. Something not adding up there.

But if the car was registered and used in Germany by the person from whom it was acquired by the seller, aren't you just chasing your own tail here? If you have a clearance certificate for an EU country and a letter from an 'official source' then surely you have as much as the guy who was driving the car around (presumably with German license plates) in Germany?

Regarding the translation of the plate. That's interesting as maybe then the COC is a standard document that can just be downloaded no? Hmm

CoC 'certificates' are a relatively recent idea, and this car certainly pre-dates that exact system. I think you'll find that the Irish system - much like the British one - requests CoCs as a matter of course in the presumption that the age of the car means it will comply with the CoC system. They are set up to deal with much more recent cars than this one. I think - I hope - that once you speak to the right person they will waive the need for CoC in the exact form that more modern cars require it.
 

Eric Gilligan

Well-Known Forum User
If you have a clearance certificate for an EU country and a letter from an 'official source' then surely you have as much as the guy who was driving the car around (presumably with German license plates) in Germany?

CoC 'certificates' are a relatively recent idea, and this car certainly pre-dates that exact system. I think you'll find that the Irish system - much like the British one - requests CoCs as a matter of course in the presumption that the age of the car means it will comply with the CoC system. They are set up to deal with much more recent cars than this one. I think - I hope - that once you speak to the right person they will waive the need for CoC in the exact form that more modern cars require it.

Yes... well it feels like I am chasing my own tail. I dont see why it should be an issue with registering it if the only documents required in Ireland are either the COC, export cert or V5 ( obv this is not applicable )But... since the guy who sold it to me had the letters and did plan on restoring it and then registering it I dont think its a bad sign :) I believe that in Germanland that when you go to register it you have to bring it to them and it needs to be in roadworthy condition..which when the seller got it.. it was not so thats probably why he got all the paperwork needed to register then didnt do the work ( illness ) and sold it on.

See. now .. I have a document as well which could possibly be the export document from the TUV in Germany but I will need to check all this. I am not at home at the moment so my dad is trying to sort this for me. Head wrecked already haha .. goes to check documents :D >>> its a purchase agreement I have.. no idea what an export document looks like so ...
 
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