240z tax exempt?

Then maybe the 800 is wrong, and your car is a 72. But the US (sorry LHD) numbers don't combine with RHD models.

Mine is still way out though :-/
 
Hmmm then I gues at some point the car has been dated using the engine number and date stamps on the car to prove it was a 72. Very confusing though
 
twoforty said:
My car 18/03/73 is tax exempt
101293 so its a bit higher than the 100800
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Where did "18/03/73" come from? :confused:

If that is the date of first UK registration of your car then it is not relevant to the tax exemption issue anyway. What owners need to prove is a manufacturing date before the cut off, and Nissan's own Japanese records state that the last 'HS30' manufactured in 1972 was 'HS30-100800'.

By rights, 'HS30-101293' should not qualify for tax-exemption status as it was built in 1973. I'd play my cards a little closer to my chest if I were you.

We have discussed this issue on this forum before, but people still keep asking the same questions and making the same mistakes. The sites 'SEARCH' function ought to be pointed out a bit more often.

Here's a useful reference thread:
http://www.zclub.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4652

And how many times will people get fooled by the crock information on sites like this one?:
http://www.zparts.com/showcase/zcarstats/pages/70_96proddata1.html
There is a big gap between 5/70 and 1/71 dates - but no explanation of why the chassis numbers have no gap. In a word, its crap.
 
twoforty said:
Very Strange, The paperwork with my car states declared manufactured
1972 and it is tax exempt and the chassis number is higher than the 800 mark.
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"800 mark"? :confused:

Russ said:
Then maybe the 800 is wrong, and your car is a 72.
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"....the 800 is wrong...."? :confused: :eek:

Come along now gentlemen. Please remember that your posts get filed away for posterity, and might be used as reference in the future by anybody who uses the SEARCH function. Let's not be lazy here, and let's get it right - right?

The tax-exemption cut off for pre-1973 manufacturing date of 'HS30' VIN-prefixed chassis numbers ( if you play by the rules :rolleyes: ) is 'HS30-100800'. Please don't cite published data relevant to the 'HLS30' VIN-prefixed chassis numbers when the data for the 'HS30' ( or the 'S30', 'PS30', 'RS30', etc etc etc ) is what is needed. Especially if it is plain to see that it is a crock of sh*t - like that posted on the zparts.com site. Bad information just breeds more bad information.








What happened to the 'Archive' of the Z Club of GB? When I was a member of the Club, I contributed to sourcing material for the 'Archive' that would help to answer questions such as this - and yet this does not seem to be readily to hand for Club members any more? Has it been stolen, mislaid or otherwise disposed of? Who has got it?

Maybe it could be the 'treasure' in a little treasure hunt game at the next Z Club meeting? ;)
 
Albrecht: I have pointed out www.aboutz.net to you many times, surely this sort of factual information is prime for that website, in fact I'd have thought it right up your street ;)
 
Russ,
Whilst I applaud your efforts and the intention behind them, I have to say that in my opinion there is already too much of this kind of thing on the 'net. It would just be another coconut bobbing in the ocean......

I don't really like these 'Wikipedia' type things anyway. Anybody can contribute duff information to them, and if there is no 'editor' to sort it all out then it would appear that it will inevitably end up as just more babble. How do you supervise the quality of the contributions when there is effectively no door policy?

I'd say that this very thread would be a good example of what it would turn into. The correct data and information is already on this forum, but people don't use the SEARCH function and they continue to repeat rogue data as though it is fact. In between, there is a whole load of head scratching.




But don't let my negativity discourage you :) :D
 
Albrecht: Oh yeh I absolutely agree, but as of yet I've not found anything (with the exception of the 350z only site) that is the same as aboutz.net.

It's dead in the water at the moment, as there is no one to contribute. I know wikis would appear to be a crazy idea, but just looking at the success of wikipedia which is entirely self moderated, well I think that's a good sign. Any 'duff' information is very quickly removed again, it shouldn't work but it does.

I was hoping a single resource for all to use might be an idea, and on the back of it I'd hope we could promote this club a little. My biggest concern is the inevitable regional variations (no Zs were sold outside the states remember), but I think it might be worth a shot.

Each time we have one of 'these' threads then I'll try and find the five minutes to move the 'facts' into aboutz and see how it goes.

Anyway we are too good at apathy in this country, I'll give it a go even if it might fail.
 
Russ,
You need to add a 'caveat' to that.

Production of the 'HS30U' ( the 'Export' RHD '240Z' ) continued into 1974 calendar year, but Nissan's figures stop at the end of 1973. They don't acknowledge production of the 'HS30U' continuing into 1974 according to published records - but it is quite clear that a fair number of cars were made. What you cut and pasted does not make this clear. It has lost its context.

I suggest that you modify the text to include the fact that 'HS30' VIN-prefixed cars were made in 1974 calendar year, but we have no idea how many and have no idea what the last body number was. All we know for sure is that Nissan's published ( in Japan ) figures for the 'HS30' VIN-prefixed cars ended at the end of 1973.

The reason why they effectively deny the continuation of production into 1974 is another can of worms altogether. I suspect it is linked to the subjects of emissions legislation in Japan ( and the aborted launch of the 'Fairlady 260Z' model ) and judicious use of left-over componentry. Maybe we will get to the bottom of it one day.

The original thread subject was started with relation to UK Road Fund License exemption, and this fact ( the original context ) is lost when you cut and paste sections of the conversation. I'd be careful about that if I were you. Could lead to further confusion.
 
Albrecht: Thank you for the correction. If you have five minutes would you mind correcting the page for me please? Registration is literally a two minute process, and that way I can be sure I don't let new errors in. If you think it's an obvious attempt to have you involved in the website then you are completely mistaken ;)

If not I will do it tonight, the remained of my lunch break is going to be spent trying to add new info from here.

Thanks
 
HS30 DOM or EXP

Hi guys just took alook at the 'about zed' link, are we talking DOM or EXP or all HS30?

Reading about HS30-103262.

I believe around 05/73 build. Is this the last domestic HS30 ?

I know of HS30- vins, that extend out by at least another few hundered with delivery by 10/73 EXP.

cheers

Steve:)
 
sjcurtis said:
Hi guys just took alook at the 'about zed' link, are we talking DOM or EXP or all HS30?
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Hi Steve,
The Nissan K.K. - sourced data was *originally* supposed to be used in Japan as reference to Japanese home-market cars. The whole document is written in Japanese - so I don't think there was any intention to release it abroad, and many of the models listed were not even officially sold outside Japan anyway.

HOWEVER - the 'HS30' VIN prefix is a special case, as the Japanese domestic market 'Fairlady 240Z' ( and its variants such as the 'Fairlady 240Z-L' and 'Fairlady 240ZG' ) shared that 'HS30' VIN prefix with the export-market 'Datsun 240Z' models sold in Australia, NZ and the UK.

The Japanese market didn't get the L24 engine in an S30 body until October 1971 - which means that the 'HS30' VIN prefix wasn't seen in Japanese domestic models until that time. At that point, it seems clear that the Japanese-market 'HS30' VIN prefixed cars *joined in* with the already-running body-numbering sequence that was being used by the 'Export' models.

I know you know all this Steve, but I'm repeating it for the benefit of others.

I don't know why Nissan didn't differentiate between Domestic and Export models by making a special VIN prefix for these Domestic-market 'Fairlady 240Z' models, but I reckon it has caused us all kinds of grief and head-scratching since..........

So - as far as I understand it, the documentary evidence from Nissan in Japan lumps in the Domestic-market 'HS30' VIN-prefixed body serial numbers with the Export-market 'HS30' VIN-prefixed body serial numbers. I don't know how they would extract the Domestics from the Exports in a list such as that - as it merely consists of calendar-year 'first' and 'last' body serial numbers ( with gaps! ). The perfect solution to all our head-scratching and conjecture would be an official Nissan-supplied breakdown for individual body serial numbers, telling us what date each car was made, and where each car went. But it looks as though this is asking for something that doesn't exist..........

Anybody who sticks his head above the parapet and tries to be definitive about such things is liable to get peppered with shot ( as I know from experience ) - but I guess it is at least worth giving it a go. Our situation for RHD cars is much harder to analyse and understand than that for the LHD cars ( although I must say that I very rarely see any acknowledgement that 'HLS30' VIN-prefixed cars were sent to mainland Europe, and will therefore have left 'gaps' in the body serial numbers that were sent to the USA and Canada ).

Anything has got to be better than nothing, and I'd rather trust Nissan Japan-sourced reference material as a base to work around than - for example - a half-baked listing from the front page of a 'Victoria British' catalogue ( even if we don't completely understand what Nissan's figures are telling us :unsure: :) ).

This thread started out in relation to a peculiarly British-market related problem; namely providing documentary proof of manufacturing date in order to qualify for Road Fund License duty exemption. It seems that 99% of UK S30-series Z owners don't actually care passionately about the birthday of their car unless it can help to save them some money ;) .

And I reckon cross-referencing of manufacturing and quality control stamps and markings on the componentry of each vehicle is still the best way to get close to a likely 'birthday' for our cars.

I think Russ would like you to add any info you have to his 'AboutZ' site, and make corrections as you see fit.
 
Input

Albretch, Russ,
I am in the same situation as everyone else, still scratching in the sand to find the pieces of the jigsaw. I can only offer limited information, this is purely on build data that I have collected over the last few years, my sources are common to all of you so I offer very little.

I will assist where I can.

cheers
Steve:)
 
Russ said:
Not sure it's right though, also the number sequence in this confuses me

1973 'HS30-102001' ~ 'HS30-101537' and 'HS30-102001' ~ 'HS30-103262' ( I don't know why there is a gap between 101537 and 102001..... ).


2001-1537?
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Russ,
Simple. It's just a typo that's all.

Should be: " 1973 'HS30-100801'~'HS30-101537' and 'HS30-102001'~'HS30-103262' ".

I went back and corrected the post in the original thread to keep it all ship-shape.

The gap between HS30-101537 and HS30-102001? I don't know the answer either, but I should imagine that there was a good reason for it. I don't know if there are 464 missing cars, or if there are just 464 missing 'HS30' body numbers that were never stamped onto a body. More likely to have been a cock-up rather than a conspiracy. There are 'gaps' in other Nissan body serial number sequences too........

Fun ain't it? :)
 
JUST TO ADD TO THIS ,MY CAR WAS STAMPED UP WITH CHASSIS NUMBER BUT THEN HAD 2 CROSSED OUT AND CHANGED AND STAMPED ABOVE WITH SOME NISSAN LOGO'S .DOES THE ORIGINAL NUMBER EXIST OR HAS IT BEEN LOST IN THE SYSTEM :conf2: .THIS MIGHT SHED A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT ON THE PROCESS OF RANDOM CHASSIS NUMBERS
 
moggy240 said:
JUST TO ADD TO THIS ,MY CAR WAS STAMPED UP WITH CHASSIS NUMBER BUT THEN HAD 2 CROSSED OUT AND CHANGED AND STAMPED ABOVE WITH SOME NISSAN LOGO'S .DOES THE ORIGINAL NUMBER EXIST OR HAS IT BEEN LOST IN THE SYSTEM :conf2: .THIS MIGHT SHED A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT ON THE PROCESS OF RANDOM CHASSIS NUMBERS
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Moggy,
I think I explained the situation regarding your particular car to you?

It was part of an emissions-compliance cock-up by Nissan which was connected only to the Japanese domestic market, and only with a few hundred ( at the very most ) newly-built 'Fairlady 260Z' models with the L26E engine.

It was found that these cars were experiencing terrible problems in hot weather ( especially around town, with their air-con switched on ) and were causing endless headaches for Nissan dealerships in the field. It boiled down to the fact that they could not get the engines tuned to run properly in hot weather and still pass the new stricter emissions limits. In the end, Nissan cut their losses by rounding all the domestic-market 'RS30' models they had not yet sold, as well as some they had, and taking them back to the Factory. There they had their L26E engines taken out, L20E engines dropped in their place, and their VIN numbers and body serial numbers converted to 'S30' prefixes and number body serial number sequences.

The whole escapade was hushed up and smoothed over, with only cars like yours bearing the scars. I shouldn't worry about this having any effect on 'HS30' VIN numbers, but it might have had an effect or side-effect on the 'S30' VIN numbers ( which were JDM only ).
 
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