Z432R Article

SeanDezart said:
Why has it got hatch grills AND rear wing Z badges ?
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The early Japanese market cars with the vented tailgates had round, SOLID ( unvented ) rear quarter 'Z' emblems. People often mistake them for the later VENTED type round 'Z' emblems, as seen on all market models.

I think we've discussed them here before. Maybe on Datsun Dave's build thread...?
 
What I don't understand is if it is a recreation/copy/built in the spirit of why they don't just say? Someone has obviously gone to some extreme lengths to make it look right(ish) and it looks very nicely put together. If you compare it to some of the rare Italian cars(250gto etc) a recreation/copy model is still an attractive prospect to a buyer and commands a hefty premium.

Its also making me think about painting my car in that lovely mustard colour!
 
franky said:
What I don't understand is if it is a recreation/copy/built in the spirit of why they don't just say? Someone has obviously gone to some extreme lengths to make it look right(ish) and it looks very nicely put together.
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There's scope for many different scenarios here. The current ( Thai ) owner is not the original owner, and not the original builder - so it's hard to know whether he know's what's correct and what's not, or even whether he knows what the car left the factory as.

The other scenarios are that a car can start out as one thing, and get 'upgraded' to another factory spec by adding parts to it ( happens all the time with people adding ZG-specific parts to non-ZG models ) and these can sometimes fool people. There's also the scenario of fakery, and this is easier when the models involved share chassis prefixes and body serial number sequences ( 'HS30' prefixed Fairlady 240Z-Ls becoming Fairlady 240ZGs, and 'PS30' prefixed Fairlady Z432s becoming Fairlady Z432-Rs ). However, these should be apparent to those who really know their onions.

Cars can be built as honest 'tribute' cars, or replicas ( like my own loosely-termed 432R replica project ) but then be claimed as 'The Real Thing' by subsequent owners. Again, it should not fool those who really know their onions, and a true factory-build 432-R bodyshell is completely different to that of a factory-build 432, so a close up examination would probably show the difference, as opposed to trying to spot it from pictures.

You wouldn't be able to fool proper Ferrari historians into believing that a Favre recreation '250 GTO' based on a 250 GTE was 'The Real Thing', but you might fool plenty of people at your local petrol station......

Biggest points I could make about this car in Thailand and the Takeey's car are that they are being claimed as genuine 432Rs by the 7Tune writer, but show great evidence of 'personalisation' by builder / owner. The stripped and cleanly body colour painted floors, tunnel, roof interior and rear hatch areas are nothing like the factory 432Rs were, and a lot of the details look quite cheesey. Too much looks new, too much looks replicated rather than original. There's no patina. If you start out with a genuine 432R that needs restoration, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Albrecht said:
There's no patina. If you start out with a genuine 432R that needs restoration, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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I wonder what people think of these revived E-Types (Eagles ?) etc when basically nothing original is left - like re-shelling an historic Cooper and loading it with bling new bits made in China ?

Some production figures being tossed around here but there must have nbeen more than ahdnful of PS30-Bs made.....Shirley ?
 
And that leads to another question sir sean.
I wonder what the chassis number is on this car and if that may have been tampered with.
It saddens me if the new current owner thinks he has something so special and rare .
And it may be something it isn't.
 
Albrecht said:
There's scope for many different scenarios here. The current ( Thai ) owner is not the original owner, and not the original builder - so it's hard to know whether he know's what's correct and what's not, or even whether he knows what the car left the factory as.

The other scenarios are that a car can start out as one thing, and get 'upgraded' to another factory spec by adding parts to it ( happens all the time with people adding ZG-specific parts to non-ZG models ) and these can sometimes fool people. There's also the scenario of fakery, and this is easier when the models involved share chassis prefixes and body serial number sequences ( 'HS30' prefixed Fairlady 240Z-Ls becoming Fairlady 240ZGs, and 'PS30' prefixed Fairlady Z432s becoming Fairlady Z432-Rs ). However, these should be apparent to those who really know their onions.

Cars can be built as honest 'tribute' cars, or replicas ( like my own loosely-termed 432R replica project ) but then be claimed as 'The Real Thing' by subsequent owners. Again, it should not fool those who really know their onions, and a true factory-build 432-R bodyshell is completely different to that of a factory-build 432, so a close up examination would probably show the difference, as opposed to trying to spot it from pictures.

You wouldn't be able to fool proper Ferrari historians into believing that a Favre recreation '250 GTO' based on a 250 GTE was 'The Real Thing', but you might fool plenty of people at your local petrol station......

Biggest points I could make about this car in Thailand and the Takeey's car are that they are being claimed as genuine 432Rs by the 7Tune writer, but show great evidence of 'personalisation' by builder / owner. The stripped and cleanly body colour painted floors, tunnel, roof interior and rear hatch areas are nothing like the factory 432Rs were, and a lot of the details look quite cheesey. Too much looks new, too much looks replicated rather than original. There's no patina. If you start out with a genuine 432R that needs restoration, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Thats sort of what I was getting at, the 250 replicas can chance hands for £200k+ between Ferrari collectors(the top examples built on period running gear etc). This is without trying claim that its the real thing.

You'd hope if we can build a brand on accuracy of models that a very good recreation(like yours) will carry a good amount of the qudos surrounding the original cars with it. If there's 20 original factory 432r's, I bet there's only 10 quality and period correct replicas?
 
that article was written by Adam Zillin, owner of 7Tune

He's not going to care what input or correction you guys have to make.

He talks his way into doing a lot of cool stuff, but most of the time doesn't have a clue.

I know this cause I've had a discussion with him about other matters in the past and he just comes across very arrogant.

He's just a fan, you guy are experts
 
MCMLXXXV said:
that article was written by Adam Zillin, owner of 7Tune

He's not going to care what input or correction you guys have to make.

He talks his way into doing a lot of cool stuff, but most of the time doesn't have a clue.

I know this cause I've had a discussion with him about other matters in the past and he just comes across very arrogant.

He's just a fan, you guy are experts
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Enough of a fan to use the same car/article twice:thumbs:
 
Or perhaps just lazy.....which is what journalists suffer from when not researching their facts for articles.
 
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