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Alphabettispaghetti
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I find it strange, through some work things where the bbc think they can decide who key workers are..... to plumbers who think they're key workers, maybe if there's a gas leak(not routine servicing), all the way to the trains packed going into london.
Rushingphil
Club Member
Exactly that!
There needs to be more clarity between:
Essential work - ie NHS, Delivery etc. etc. and,
Essential to go to work ie. ANYONE who can't work from home!
Key workers are reasonably clearly defined here I think:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...horities-on-maintaining-educational-provision
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...horities-on-maintaining-educational-provision
toopy
Club Member
Same, I'd rather not go to the supermarket, but delivery just isn't on the cards at the moment, 3 wk wait....wtf! and that's if they'll even accept your order!
On the plus side, plenty of stock on the shelves, so we bought enough to last till the weekend hopefully. No pasta or bog roll though, minimal bread options and strangely not a piece of chicken left in the place!
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toopy
Club Member
Being self employed it's a bit sketchy at the minute money wise, but being a gardener i normally work alone anyway, and have minimal contact with clients, so adhering to the spacing guidelines is no problem.
Ive spoken to all my clients to gauge their take on it, and spell out the no contact other than from an open door or window, while i stand well away, a lot more than 6ft, or preferably ring me while I'm on site, and they all bar one want me to continue wherever possible. It's also a mental health issue, especially for the older clientele, as seeing and being able to use a tidy outdoor space is important for their well being while being confined to the home.
I know gardening isn't exactly essential, but i obviously cant work from home at all, but i can work alone and practice social distancing far easier than having to go to the bloody supermarket!
Ive spoken to all my clients to gauge their take on it, and spell out the no contact other than from an open door or window, while i stand well away, a lot more than 6ft, or preferably ring me while I'm on site, and they all bar one want me to continue wherever possible. It's also a mental health issue, especially for the older clientele, as seeing and being able to use a tidy outdoor space is important for their well being while being confined to the home.
I know gardening isn't exactly essential, but i obviously cant work from home at all, but i can work alone and practice social distancing far easier than having to go to the bloody supermarket!
Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
the list is still too ‘loose’. Also still vague.
highlight was a senior member of the BBC saying that they can sign People off as ‘key workers’
ffastffreddie
Forum User
Here's a departure from the norm! Is it me or is Sean talking more sense than usual (no offence meant Sean) or is it just his view coinciding with mine.
Perhaps France has got it worse than we have, I've not checked the numbers, but he seems to be in the real world with the rest of us (not me, obvs) feeling able to justify any errands we think we "need" to do.
Steve, isolated with one wife, one son, one sons girlfriend and three 4/5 year old grandchildren.
Perhaps France has got it worse than we have, I've not checked the numbers, but he seems to be in the real world with the rest of us (not me, obvs) feeling able to justify any errands we think we "need" to do.
Steve, isolated with one wife, one son, one sons girlfriend and three 4/5 year old grandchildren.
johnymd
Club Member
I am self employed but fortunately in a position to be able to weather the storm for a couple of months, but, as I'm in IT and look after a dozen small to medium companies (10-150 employees). I am in high demand at this point in time. So I have to go onsite to configure the servers for VPN and RDC users. Some I can remote into and some I cant. Some of these companies are key worker companies so I consider I am a key worker as I'm keeping these companies working. I would be happy to stay at home but I'm needed so travel to sites each day. Most of these these site now have minimal staff on site and I generally let myself in and isolate in the server rooms. I consider I am not putting others at risk so will continue to do so until I'm forced to stop. I am sitting in a company now that has their entire staff working remotely. I unlocked the building and will lock up when I'm done. Am I being sensible or acting irresponsible?
IMO the country must still continue to operate with the maximum isolation possible and absolute minimum contact with others. For the country to operate services must still be provided to keep people safe. Electricity, gas, water must be maintained. Food must still be provided from production to consumer. Media must still be provided from reporters to presenter to broadcasting employees to telephone and broadband company employees. Government and local council must be staffed to run things. Emergency and health services must still operate and not just front line staff but everyone behind the scenes. So, after all the above who are we left with that should not go to work? This mainly leaves shops, hospitality, fitness, leisure, manufacturing of non essentials, building trades ect. Yet you see all the big building sites are still open and big stores providing non essential goods. I guess there's too much money to be lost by those companies so they are allowed to operate.
IMO the country must still continue to operate with the maximum isolation possible and absolute minimum contact with others. For the country to operate services must still be provided to keep people safe. Electricity, gas, water must be maintained. Food must still be provided from production to consumer. Media must still be provided from reporters to presenter to broadcasting employees to telephone and broadband company employees. Government and local council must be staffed to run things. Emergency and health services must still operate and not just front line staff but everyone behind the scenes. So, after all the above who are we left with that should not go to work? This mainly leaves shops, hospitality, fitness, leisure, manufacturing of non essentials, building trades ect. Yet you see all the big building sites are still open and big stores providing non essential goods. I guess there's too much money to be lost by those companies so they are allowed to operate.
Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
I understand the sentiment, however by description you're not a key worker, even by the loose Gov guidance definition. I've friends out fitting new boilers, going to project management meetings, none of it is going to help those we need to protect.
Don't we have quite a few 'older' members on here? ones who are in the 'At Risk' section of the population.
The only way this works is stricter measures.
Or even better definitions so that people are clearer.
It all comes down to interpretation and judgement. What one person considers essential is another person’s non-essential.
I agree with Johny that you have to keep the country moving with sensible precautions. But I also agree the PM meetings can be done on the phone/ video/webex etc.
It all comes down to interpretation and judgement. What one person considers essential is another person’s non-essential.
I agree with Johny that you have to keep the country moving with sensible precautions. But I also agree the PM meetings can be done on the phone/ video/webex etc.
MaximG
Well-Known Forum User
And there in lies the problem, the policies are still putting profit over people.
I think this particular phrase is deliberately vague "Essential to go to work ie. ANYONE who can't work from home! " So they don't have to prop up the self employed which a vast majority are on building sites.
I work for a local water company and despite a lot of words its still business as usual. I am, as is the whole company, considered as Key Workers however what I look after could easily be put on hold. I'm have asthma and am shit scared of catching the virus. So I'm torn between staying at home for my own sakes and having to go to work. My site attendance is now the bare minimum.
Rushingphil
Club Member
That was exactly the point of my previous post re: the definition of essential workers. It wasn't about key workers. There's a difference.
Hancock said quite clearly yesterday that the construction workers were ok to be on the tube trains, because it was essential for them to travel to get to work! They're clearly not essential workers (unless involved in hospitals etc).
Hancock said quite clearly yesterday that the construction workers were ok to be on the tube trains, because it was essential for them to travel to get to work! They're clearly not essential workers (unless involved in hospitals etc).
uk66fastback
Club Member
I've worked from home since 2008, so the work just carries on - thing is - we've nothing to write about or report on largely as our sport has stopped ...
I want to go to B&Q and get a door I've been after and a frame and fit them both while I have more time than usual but it isn't an essential journey is it? So I won't go, even though it is just up the road. I have a million other jobs to do anyway ...
I want to go to B&Q and get a door I've been after and a frame and fit them both while I have more time than usual but it isn't an essential journey is it? So I won't go, even though it is just up the road. I have a million other jobs to do anyway ...
STEVE BURNS
Club Member
NOW HOW DOES THIS WORK
Looked across the road this morning and a Sainsbury van pulls up to deliver food etc to an elderly neighbour who also has a depended daughter living with her
Brilliant they have managed to get a slot (but also wonder if they will be the same as us and be unable to book another slot for at least 3 weeks as they are all full, but that is another issue)
BIG THUMBS TO THE SUPERMARKETS FOR DOING THIS SERVICE
BUT NOW HERE IS THE BIG NO NO OF THE SERVICE I SAW TODAY
Why the effing hell was there the driver of the van together with a helper delivering this
Two guys get out of the cab why oh why are there 2 people sent out in the cab sitting next to each other when they are meant to be 6 feet apart
Jesus defeats the whole object of the exercise
Looked across the road this morning and a Sainsbury van pulls up to deliver food etc to an elderly neighbour who also has a depended daughter living with her
Brilliant they have managed to get a slot (but also wonder if they will be the same as us and be unable to book another slot for at least 3 weeks as they are all full, but that is another issue)
BIG THUMBS TO THE SUPERMARKETS FOR DOING THIS SERVICE
BUT NOW HERE IS THE BIG NO NO OF THE SERVICE I SAW TODAY
Why the effing hell was there the driver of the van together with a helper delivering this
Two guys get out of the cab why oh why are there 2 people sent out in the cab sitting next to each other when they are meant to be 6 feet apart
Jesus defeats the whole object of the exercise
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
And were they wearing gloves and a mask each ?
Here, all peopel serving in supermarkets, drugstores etc are wearing masks and we're instructed to keep 1.5m away as much as possible - supermarket checkouts have large plastic screens between them and the aisle where we pass through with our trolleys....! I can't advise on the vague distinction between key and non-key workers - essential to our survival I think is the best description and John, those companies that you need to visit would have closed down here so no need !
johnymd
Club Member
I think this is exactly the attitude we all need to adopt. There are lots of jobs we could get on with at home but if those jobs require us to interact with anyone in order to carry out them we should not do it. Garden centres are a prime example. They are busy because everyone is off work and the suns out so it’s a great poetry ity to make money.