"series 1" 240Z

[SeanDezart]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Datsun-24...980071?hash=item41cd85eb67:g:O1EAAOSwhGlZnIhH

Nice car, I note the black door-latch inserts are missing....details especially when chasing a decent price ?

At what chassis number did 'series 1' car change from having a hand throttle to a simple choke lever ?

Does that make this a series 1 1/2 ?

 

[Albrecht]

At what chassis number did 'series 1' car change from having a hand throttle to a simple choke lever ?

Does that make this a series 1 1/2 ?

This car is simply missing its original factory-fitted hand throttle lever. They were only present and functional on the very first deliveries of the North American markets cars, and soon after they were deemed a liability/safety issue (misuse/clumsiness/forgetfulness) and were either removed by dealers or - eventually - no longer fitted to North American market cars at the factory. There was - I seem to remember - a Technical Service Bulletin on the subject.

So, the car is correct for build date and market in that respect. All other markets in the contemporary period had the hand throttle.

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Datsun-24...980071?hash=item41cd85eb67:g:O1EAAOSwhGlZnIhH

Nice car, I note the black door-latch inserts are missing....details especially when chasing a decent price ?

At what chassis number did 'series 1' car change from having a hand throttle to a simple choke lever ?

Does that make this a series 1 1/2 ?

overall I think its a very fair price. Its had some work done, some room for improvement, however its an early, very presentable, very useable.

 

[SeanDezart]

Sold for $11500 : https://www.facebook.com/groups/dat...tif_t=group_comment&notif_id=1503565037185303

Gavin is a great PI.

This car is simply missing its original factory-fitted hand throttle lever.
So, the car is correct for build date and market in that respect. All other markets in the contemporary period had the hand throttle.

Thankyou Alan - I thought that later cars were sold with the twin lever placements in the console and only with the choke lever. It seems that until 240Zs (in the NA market) were sold with the single lever palcement (as we saw mostly on European cars), the car was factory fitted with the hand-throttle....?

After which date please were cars produced without hand throttles and did some of these single lever cars have solid rear wings and be fitted with vertical rear screens/hatch vents ?

Were the vertical screens carried on into solid hatch fitting prodoction please ?

It all appears to suggest that one cannot date a car visually from a distance....

 

[Albrecht]

Thankyou Alan - I thought that later cars were sold with the twin lever placements in the console and only with the choke lever. It seems that until 240Zs (in the NA market) were sold with the single lever palcement (as we saw mostly on European cars), the car was factory fitted with the hand-throttle....?

After which date please were cars produced without hand throttles and did some of these single lever cars have solid rear wings and be fitted with vertical rear screens/hatch vents ?

Were the vertical screens carried on into solid hatch fitting prodoction please ?

It all appears to suggest that one cannot date a car visually from a distance....

Answer one question and get six more back. Talk about having your work cut out for you...

The hand throttle situation, for me, is really simple. It was part of the original design, fitted to ALL the earliest production cars (regardless of market) but they only slipped through on the very earliest couple or three months of North American market sales (I'm not going to quote chassis number ranges as they won't be accurate. There were exceptions...) and they were supposed to be removed by dealers until the factory stopped fitted the cables, lever mechanism and knob on the cars - leaving the slot empty. The cars were still fitted with functional choke mechanisms in the adjacent slot.

The hand throttle wasn't officially dropped until the B-type transmissions were phased in and the console design was changed. At that point only choke knobs and cables were fitted, and there was only one slot for it to fit into.

The situation with solid rear quarters/vented tailgate vs vented rear quarter/solid tailgate is clear cut and well documented, as is the situation regarding vertical vs horizontal rear demisters, and (as has been pointed out many times, it makes a mockery of any solid "Series 1" and "Series 2" cut-off points) such details were not necessarily related to other supersessions and detail changes. Moveable feast!

I refer you to the relevant factory parts manuals. If you stopped buying rusty bloody hubcaps you could probably afford to invest in one...

 

[SeanDezart]

Answer one question and get six more back. Talk about having your work cut out for you...

There were exceptions...) and they were supposed to be removed by dealers until the factory stopped fitted the cables, lever mechanism and knob on the cars - leaving the slot empty.

I refer you to the relevant factory parts manuals. If you stopped buying rusty bloody hubcaps you could probably afford to invest in one...

1.You once told me that the more you find out, the less you know...so 6:1 seems a reasonable ratio - many thanks for that.

So Nissan sent out 'service notes and equipment recalls/repairs ? Never seen or heard of one

I think I have that which you quote (see attached images).

And the hubcaps are for a personal project - bit of fun. I'm more of a steering wheel fetish myself.....

Did I ever share the story of this photo with you ?

 

[Albrecht]

So Nissan sent out 'service notes and equipment recalls/repairs ? Never seen or heard of one

Technical Service Bulletins. In Japan 'Service Shuho' newsletters, in between the 'Service Shuho' booklets (twelve booklets for the S30/S31). All useful stuff.

I think I have that which you quote (see attached images).

Good! Now you need the 'R-Drive' export versions and all the Japanese market versions so that you can cross-reference.

Did I ever share the story of this photo with you ?

The murder case? Yes I think you did, thanks.

 

[SeanDezart]

Technical Service Bulletins. In Japan 'Service Shuho' newsletters, in between the 'Service Shuho' booklets (twelve booklets for the S30/S31). All useful stuff.

Now you need the 'R-Drive' export versions and all the Japanese market versions so that you can cross-reference.

You see, I think I my ship has come in and in fact it's just the tip of an iceberg....the more I dig, the less I know.

 

[Albrecht]

You see, I think I my ship has come in and in fact it's just the tip of an iceberg....the more I dig, the less I know.

Careful now. Don't want to end up being labelled a "Trainspotter" by the here today, gone tomorrow solo ditchfinders of this parish...

 

[SeanDezart]

Careful now. Don't want to end up being labelled a "Trainspotter" by the here today, gone tomorrow solo ditchfinders of this parish...

Worse than them are the less-spotted 'Bus-hairies' !

These are the chaps, normally with wild side-burns, bushy hair of no particular style, wearing anoraks and carring the type of traval bags that used to have 'Pan-Am' printed on the side.
Normally seen sipping from hot flasks and eating un-cut, sliced-white loaf sandwiches with such exotic delights as Sainsbury's plain cheddar cheese and pickle, Lidl's smoked ham and.....pickle and a strawberry jam sandwich for tea-time.

These are the precious community spirited chaps who note and follow every bus there ever was whereas some specialise in certain routes only.

Whereas Trainspotters natural habitat is inevitably at the end of platforms, just before the 'do not cross' sign, bus hairies can be found anywhere on our roads but not unusally found early mornings outside bus-depots.

Don't get them talking because they'll give you the life story of any bus you care to name !