California shells

Russ

Club Member
Hi all,

Having read in this quarters magazine about Fourways importing a Cal shell and using it for the resto I was tempted by this, for example on Ebay a mint looking call shell can be had for about £1000 running!

I realise there are some serious shipping costs involved but I could make a holiday of it maybe or its not THAT bad to get it across, a friend of mine does it all the time (11 cars on his driveway lol).

Anyway my questions really are what are the legalities???

My project really requires a small amount of running gear, the shell, the interior and thats about it. I'm gonna retrim the interior no doubt anyway but a good dash and structure to the car would be nice. Engine, gearbox, transmission, suspension, brakes, etc etc are all going to be non Z. Could I potentially just get a US shell and some spares to convert it to RHD?

Hmm I don't much like the idea of turning two cars into one but if I start with a pretty dead UK Z I won't feel so bad.

Cheers
 
Provided that you are up front and legal with it, a LHD shell can take on the identity of the U.K. donor car (assuming that the U.K. car then disappears completely&#33<img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>. This is the case with several U.K. cars at present. It does require inspections by the police and DVLA officials, but it is possible. You may find that some die-hard members are very much against the process, but if you are building a HybridZ you are going to upset them anyway....... In theory, a V8 Z is better as a LHD car anyway, as the driver weight partially offsets the chassis twist imparted by the huge engine torque, i.e. it will pick both front wheels off the ground on launch instead of just the left hand one (for every action there is an equal an opposite reaction)!

The alternative is to complete the build using the import identity and obtain a new registration on completion. Unfortunately, unless paperwork is complete and perfect you may be awarded a 'Q' registration, i.e. vehicle of unsupported age or origin. I'm not sure how long you have to live with this before buying a personal plate of some sort....
 
Hi,

I much prefer the first option, Q plate cars never really do it for me. I understand the need for an engineers report etc so maybe this is a good option. Why kill a perfectly good UK Z when there are loadsa American ones instead. That way I save the identity and 'soul' of the UK car and transplant it into the US body <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

As for the V8 vs purist I'm gonna keep everything I take away from the car stored nicely so say in 30 years time I do feel sentimental I can spend a million and convert it back.

Cheers
 
It is now very difficult to get cars out of California without correct paperwork. So if you use a reputable shipper the car should have its "Pink Slip " with it. (Calif title document). Since a complete car will also have its date plate on the lhs door pillar there should be little dispute about a cars identity.
Obtaining a bare shell would be in theory cheaper as you would pay less duty and vat, but finding someone to source a shell and then ship it could be tricky. Remember that exporting parts/stripping cars would not be covered by a standard export licence for whole cars.
while it is true that there are more 240Zs in Calif than the UK. Actually finding one and getting it here at a realistic price is harder than it seems.
 
The DVLA are, nevertheless, pretty unpredictable with their response to correct documents. I have a less than fond memory of trying to re-register a 1955 Chevy Sedan Delivery - paperwork all in order, chassis numbers matched, '55 is a "one-off" year style (in the days when the USA changed the look of a model completely for every season), books on Tri-Chevy to hand to point out the relevant details. Response - "Q" plate.........
The car eventually went to a new owner who bought DJN1C for it. The other notable memory of this car was that a 240Z steering wheel went straight onto the column splines without mods and is probably still on there today, with a Chevy "bowtie" emblem slipped into the horn push.
Aaaaah....fond memories!
 
Hi Russ, I got here...

Lots of issues going on. &nbsp;I've just been though all the hoops with the DVLA and HM Customs (I gave up and got my car theough a experianced importer). &nbsp;I have also previously been at consultation group meetings with the Policy Unit at the DVLA with Bob Oliver who is head of Policy at the DVLA.

First off - import registrations. &nbsp;In the dim and distant past impoted cars got a registration letter corresponding to year of import. &nbsp;A '55 Chevy imported in 1979 would get a V plate for example. &nbsp;The log book would say "date of import 1979". &nbsp;Then they changed it so that imported cars got a Q plate so you couldn;t import a 5 year old car and register it as a new one, wind the clock back and con people (unscrupulous traders were doing this). &nbsp;You could transfer a private plate onto one of these though. &nbsp;Then they quickly changed it so the car got a registration letter for its year of manufacture. &nbsp;My '66 Buick was impoted in 1991 and has a 1966 D plate - the V5 says "year of import 1991, decared manufactured and registered abroad 1966". &nbsp;Normal rules about number plate transfers apply.

next up - reshelling. &nbsp;YOU CANNOT TRANSFER THE IDENTY OF ONE CAR ONTO ANOTHER. &nbsp;If you reshell a car using a 2nd hand shell the DVLA will issue a Q plate, the V5 will state "vehicle of indeterminate age" and IIRC if its a pre-73 it will no longer qualify for free road tax. &nbsp;The only way to do it is to use the registration document and ID of the "shell" that you are using. &nbsp;Then there is a points system. &nbsp;I don't have the numbers to hand but you need to have at least say 60% or so of the original car (the DVLA scores engine, transmission, front axle, rear axle but not glass or interior). &nbsp;Go over the 40% "other vehcile content" and you get the Q plate again. &nbsp;Of course, theres no reason to tell the DVLA you have rebuilt the car as the VIN plate is the same, the registration is the same, only the engine # will be different and you can claim you just swapped an engine over when you notify them of the change in engine # &nbsp;- this is naughty, but its what I'd do on a major rebuild of a good shell with mechanical parts from elsewhere.

These Q plates cannot be removed. &nbsp;This is done to protect the consumer against stolen or write off cars with "clean" ID's tranferred onto them.

The only way arround this if you reshell using a second hand shell (and this is dodgy so I didn;t say <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> ) is to transfer the chassis plate from your rotton car to your shell car and no-one is any the wiser. &nbsp;Dunno about Datsuns but on most classic American cars they are rivetted in place and can be removed and refitted. Make sure you cut up the old rotton shell to stop it from resurfacing later as someone elses project.

None of this applies if the shell, engine, etc. you are fitting is brand new. &nbsp;(EG MGBs with Herritage bodyshells). &nbsp;you can practically build a brand new MG and so long as you hold the V5 for the old car you can transfer the ID over to the new one. &nbsp;Again the old car must be fully destroyed in this case.

Next up - importing a car.

finding a good car in the USA is a tricky one. &nbsp;Assuming you want a running, driving car you are relying on the honesty of the vendor unless you use an independant appraiser to view it for you and this costs $$$. &nbsp;I was priced at about $300 for an inspection. &nbsp;Just because it isn;t rusty doesn;t mean it hasn;t been in a bad accident and is twisted...

Also just because its in California now doesn;t mean it hasn;t spent 30 years in New York rusting to hell before coming to California 2 years ago... &nbsp;Also some cars described as "southern state" are from Florida or other humid places. &nbsp;I have a friend who is born & bred Florida swamp rat. &nbsp;Apparently cars rust out from the inside out there... &nbsp;Beware.

Assuming you can find a car you trust... &nbsp;You need to obtain a CLEAR title to the vehicle. &nbsp; This is difficult in some southern states where they do not require a title on cars over a certain age!!!! :eek:

This is why its good to go through an importer. &nbsp;They will get all the paperwork correct (in many states you have to go through a Notary Public to get the pink slip in your name, kind of like going to a sollicitor here). &nbsp;US Customs are really clamping down on cars being exported without the right paperwork as a lot of stolen cars are going out of USA to South America and Europe.

If you don't go through an importer then at least use a proper shipping agent who will prepare all the customs paperwork both ends. They charge extra for this so make sure its in the price they quote. &nbsp;Also make sure they've quote for dock handling fees and storage.

Once your car is at UK customs you have to pay up the tax and duty. &nbsp;Duty is 10% of the vehicle invoice cost, and if they are suspicious of your invoice price they are legally able to make their own price up to reflect "current UK market price". &nbsp;The you have to pay VAT on the cost of the car, the cost of the duty and the cost of the shipping. &nbsp;You can, if you are REALLY clever get a 5% duty rate for a "historic" car, but when I tried to get 5% rate for a 1970 Plymouth with a production run of only about 5000 of that type I was told "no".

So on a $1500 (£1000) car, you pay say £1200 shipping and fees, £100 duty and £400 or so in VAT. &nbsp;Making £2700.

To register the car in the UK you will need, a current MOT (the MOT station puts the VIN number in the registration number section), all your customs clearance paperwork toprove the duty and VAT has been paid and the US registration document. &nbsp;If the customs paperwork or the US registration is missing then they will not register the car. &nbsp;No, not that it gets a Q plate, it WILL NOT be registered at all. &nbsp;I've seen modern cars being broken for parts because they were imported without the right paperwork.

You *may* be able to slip a really old car though by saying its been in the UK since before 1984 (when they computerised the records) and was previously UK registered but that both the V5 and the original plate shave been lost. &nbsp;In which case after thorough examination they may release an age related plate to the car. &nbsp;(and they look for signs like bright threads to show the plates have recently been removed&#33<img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;This is also dodgey (fraud and misrepresentation, can get you 10 years max sentense) but it can be done that way.

By far the easiest and surprisingly cost effective way of doing it is using an importer. &nbsp;AP Inc, have been mentioned and I've got a car with Califirnia Classic Imports in Stockport and I cannot fault them (so far, not picked the car up yet...) &nbsp;All the paperwork done, full MOT, and all basic faults with the car put right prior to me picking it up.
Due to the number of cars they ship they get discount shipping which means they've got me the car and made a profit for themselves for the same price as me doing it myself and potentially cocking it all up and defiitly saved me a huge headache and laods of stress.
 
Classic MAHOOSIVE reply from Alistair <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> Thanks very much buddy, lots of good stuff there and probably most useful for not just me but other members.

Looks like its a bit of a mission but potentially worth it. £2700 for a £1000 car though is shocking <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Thanks for your time <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
Don;t forget you have to ge it to the dockside too. &nbsp;If the car you buy is 600 miles from the dock thats some treck, and the distances are BIG over there. &nbsp;Then you've got to pick it up from the dock here too.

shop about. &nbsp;Best deal I got was £1600 to pick a car up in Pheonix, Az and Trailer it all the way to Port Arthur Tx (2500 miles across America&#33<img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> and Ro-Ro it to Souhtampton, dock fees & handling, then load it on another trailer and deliver it to Nottingham.

They would do the presentation of the customs paperwork too, but not registration.

And I was going to be responsible for getting the documenation completed and sent to their Southampton Office in time.

So just add the cost of the car and taxes...

Its more cost effective for an expensive car
 
My chap says he's more than happy to look out for a Z for anyone interested. &nbsp;You'd be looking about £2500 landed depending on the cost of the basic vehcile. &nbsp;This would be for a running/driving restoration project, but you'll get all the right documentation etc. with it so you can register it when its ready to MOT.

If the car is near enough MOT standard he will MOT and register for you, but cost of this would depend on what was needed for an MOT. &nbsp;As he does "basic safety check" (strip and inspect & rebuild as required on brakes steering and suspension) as part his on the road package, and also gets a half day with an auto electrician to convert to UK spec lighting and check all the dash / heater/ etc works you're probably looking £3250-£3500 on the road and registered. &nbsp;But all you need to do then is paint it and what ever interior work is needed.

Once I've recieved my car and happy that all the work claimied has really been done I'll post up all the deatials of where he is and how to contact him. &nbsp;Should be next weekend
 
Not sure how true this is, but I once heard from a guy that had built a kit car (Lambo' Countach). It was issued with a Q plate. He then took it to Ireland and got it registered there, then bought it back here and bought a non-year plate for it. Which seemed like a lot of buggering about, but at least it made the Lambo' look more "real".
 
zedhead: My dad and I bought a motorbike from an Irish guy in a car park years ago (which we're currently working on). We had all the original Irish paperwork and it was registered in Ireland with an Irish plate. When my dad registered it in his name he had a choice of keeping the Irish plate or getting a new year related one ('79). I wonder if you could do this with a V plate? However we had matching engine number and frame number which could prove it's age sooo... hmm

Al: Yeh might be a plan, I'm sure everything will go smoothley for you <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Cal connection seems to have a couple Z's at the mo and as they are in the European cars section I guess they are right hookers. If I can get a decent shell and RHD stuff I'll be happy, but I don't want to kill a perfectly good UK Z with my project so it's a hard one to find. Although I suppose I could always convert it back from the monster I have planned.

I promise to buy a &nbsp;260 2+2 and keep it standard to repent for my sins <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
 
Looking at the figures for 260s Russ you will have trouble finding ANY 2602+2s soon!! <img src="http://www.zclub.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>
 
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