Sean, The" force feeding" definatly 100% does not apply to you! So don,t put your hand up unless you want to go to the loo! You have never Influenced any of My forum input.The only influence you have had is to,convince me into taking it in the chin,and in due course,Forward my apology.This I do only for you,& that,s because I do respect you.First instinct was to say bollard,s! to previously mentioned lot,however,I have it in me, to bow down ,if that,s what is required of me & I hold my head up "loud & proud knowing that I,ve been kicked in "the knuts(ford) service,s more times then once.( Finding somewhere suitable on Z to fix pkt of crisp,s)..............The" Right " Honarable......DJZ 60... P.s Have you got your 'raffle prize yet?