ZFarm still trading ?

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SeanDezart

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Should be banned for being...... Shaun

Red coz I wanted to be. Bit slow aint you

Slow maybe, Shaun - never !

As a club we should be promoting the good and bad suppliers.

Who's going to go looking for a car, by sending messages asking opinions? How do they know they're getting a balanced and honest one?

I'm at a loss for words. :eek:

For the word 'promoting' read 'appraising' - can you swallow that easier ?
 
Yes Sean, that's a more suitable term.

It's just the same as none honest appraisals of cars etc. Other much more popular(as in members) forums than this openly discuss garages, suppliers and the likes
 

grolls

Well-Known Forum User
Information just wants to be free.


Never gonna happen unless you have bucket loads of money to frighten ppl away from litigation or a cast iron guarantee it will never happen. I cant see the key board worriers putting their houses up for collateral can you?


Perhaps the club should put up an area for people to pass comment on and all of those posting must have all their contact details supplied to the club and be freely passed on if requested to do so,
 

zedhed

Club Member
If you get ripped off or bad work done I think you should post about it. I also think that other forum users should be entitled to question you about it and I'm pretty sure any fakers would be quickly identified by using common sense. For example if a certain trader gets consistently complained about for example bodged work, not exercising due care, car returned in worse state than supplied, parts missing, then it's pretty obvious something is wrong. Likewise if a supplier gets consistently good feedback for honesty integrity and good service then once again that helps people draw their own conclusions. Feedback is about opinion and consistently. Just look at Google company feedback provided as a free service for any business on Google or eBay or Amazon. Even courtesy of employees is a factor in making a spending decision.

No one is naive enough not to question anything they see online! LOL

Have you any idea how difficult and expensive it is to prove a causal link between business loss and comments online? You would have to have like 20 people come forward and say I read this particular post and was about to take my car in for repair when I decided to spend my money with a company with better overall feedback. It would take years and hundreds of grand to even initiate such an action. No no fee solicitor would touch it. Never mind the fact that this particular company no longer exists :)

I mean there's more chance of being hit by a meteorite ;)

Also do you really think that a club would share personal data without someone's permission about the location of a valuable classic car breaching just about every data protection law there is?

Honestly I am still at a loss for words ;)
 

zedhed

Club Member
Fair enough but anyway it seems that I and others think we should enable feedback in this forum but that really is down to the club committee. But if it's risk you're worried about that's with the poster not with the forum. The club should only pass on members personal info with their permission and no one except a court (and they would struggle believe me) or the police can force you to provide it. This is after all 2016 and the club does have a legal responsibility to protect personal data. Guys this is all business as usual for any forum or club I'm still just not getting it. You operate with reasonable care define boundaries and generally let people get on with it.
 

Rob Gaskin

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There's absolutely no problems associated with telling the truth, even the Queen and Prime Minister can do it. :eek:
 

Farmer42

Club Member
I have been reading this thread with interest & feel that I would like to post a comment.

I joined an owners club for advice & guidance from fellow owners of a car that I had very little knowledge & experience with. I value advice given on where to get parts, and reliable places to go to get work done which is why I post questions and read threads on this website. I did exactly that a couple of months ago when I needed a new exhaust & couldn't find a UK supplier and the comments I received to my question helped me make up my mind. There was no-one else to ask and the internet doesn't help much.

I think that if someone has an experience, good or bad, there should be no harm in sharing this as long as it is fact. It should be left to the individual reading it to make up their own mind whether the supplier or company is worth taking a punt on. I get the whole litigation thing but IMO it shouldn't be at the expense of factual free speech.

I think this forum should be about sharing knowledge otherwise, what is the point? Yes, there is a case of 'what if somebody sues' but you could think that about nearly everything. What if I step out my front door and get mown down by a bus? What if I take my Zed out for a drive and get T-Boned? Nothing would ever get done!!!
 

Dale

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I value advice given on where to get parts, and reliable places to go to get work done which is why I post questions and read threads on this website. I did exactly that a couple of months ago when I needed a new exhaust & couldn't find a UK supplier and the comments I received to my question helped me make up my mind. There was no-one else to ask and the internet doesn't help much.

Well there you have it, that's great.

If someone asks for recommendations and gets them then you can take some comfort you have a good chance of getting good service. But if somewhere you have seen gets no recommendations at all then you could conclude no one recommends them?

But as has been said, there are PMs and emails if you really need to know about something that one might rather not discuss in public. Or even better, a phone call?
 

SeanDezart

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But if somewhere you have seen gets no recommendations at all then you could conclude no one recommends them?

But as has been said, there are PMs and emails if you really need to know about something that one might rather not discuss in public. Or even better, a phone call?

Hardly clear and concise information mate : no news is bad news ?

And if no-one comments on the 'abd', how would the researcher know whom to contact by telephone, PM or email ?

And as a trader, I'm following this closely because a star-rating would be very beneficial to me in total confidence in my client's satisfaction - another advantage of being a (and therefore attracting others with a club-member's reduction ?) trader.
 

grolls

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FFs this aint hard is it. If you slate, slag off (or what ever you want to call it) a company in the public domain you could be held liable and the club does have some responsibility here.

The only way the club could move forward now is get legal advice on how to deal with it to ensure they are covered legally....... goodbye lots of funds.


One suggestion that stood out was in fact Sean's ( Shaun because he cant spell) is you could have a simple star for " recommended" and no other rating option available. paints a pretty picture....


Oh sean I want 50K to give you great ratings... is it a done deal :rolleyes:
 

SeanDezart

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One suggestion that stood out was in fact Sean's ( Shaun because he cant spell)

Oh sean I want 50K to give you great ratings... is it a done deal :rolleyes:

All I note Pull, is that you can make an effort and spell my name correctly when you sniff money.
 

grolls

Well-Known Forum User
All I note Pull, is that you can make an effort and spell my name correctly when you sniff money.



Funny that, because this thread is exactly who owns the responsibility of what is said and could there be a claim?


The question has to be asked ;

Would you or anyone else put their home and future earnings on the line if you were dragged in to court?

I suspect no,but happy to be proved wrong!
 

STEVE BURNS

Club Member
If when someone comes on here to give advise from his experiences in the murky waters of what is construed legally as accountability and responsibility I know who I listen to

Surly when that person is a lot more informed than anyone just sitting behind a keyboard without any experience of litigation and the actual legal position and typing in what you think and hope might be the case

Also as an aside if I remember correctly there was a similar thread about the dangers of litigation on this forum a few years ago and the very same thing was pointed out and everybody on the forum after a long discussion accepted that the risk was to great financially to club and any of its members to post up things willy- nilly

We all might not like the fact today we are not allowed to post up what we want on some subjects But that is what the world is like now and there is nothing we can do about it
Seems memories are short
 

zNathan

Well-Known Forum User
Wasn't around a few years ago, but was anything mentioned last time about putting a caveat up on a thread / board or putting something into the terms & conditions to cover the club against user opinions?

It makes me wonder how other forums / social networking sites get away with it
 

Farmer42

Club Member
Hardly clear and concise information mate : no news is bad news ?

And if no-one comments on the 'abd', how would the researcher know whom to contact by telephone, PM or email ?/QUOTE]

I suppose 1 way around it would be to ask the question and ask people to give a simple Thumbs up or down icon. This would surely not amount to libel as no defamatory words have been said. If they then want to share detail, they could PM or phone.

As I said before, the point of an owners club is to share details and experiences of a common car. If you cant do that then what is the point?
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
I suppose 1 way around it would be to ask the question and ask people to give a simple Thumbs up or down icon. This would surely not amount to libel as no defamatory words have been said. If they then want to share detail, they could PM or phone.

As I said before, the point of an owners club is to share details and experiences of a common car. If you cant do that then what is the point?

Not a bad idea - there obviously has to be a tie-up between the person asking and the other informing.

Agreed - part of the raison d'être of an owner's club....is to provide the medium of exchange for owners/members to exchange info and opinions.
 
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