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Discussion in 'General' started by LiamR, Mar 25, 2021.

  1. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    Er, isn't this the one that's actually two different bodyshells welded together, or are you talking about another car?
  2. LiamR

    Z Club Member

    Yes the one that's 2 different shells welded together. The fact you KNOW it is proved my point entirely.
  3. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    This pond we are all swimming in here is a fairly small one in the grand scheme of things.

    You bought what you thought was a good car, but it turned out to be something else entirely. If it gets sold on, what's to stop that happening again some way up the line?
  4. LiamR

    Z Club Member

    I've been open and honest about the whole car from the get go. Ive documented EVERYTHING I've done to the car, the highs and the lows. I will have lost a huge amount of money on the car and I'm at ease with that now.

    If you want to purchase it and take it off the road for good then feel free to by all means. If someone purchases it from me then it's clearly going to be shown/described to what they are purchasing. We all know the number plate. What they decide to do with it is totally beyond my control.

    The build thread will always be there same as the DIL one. Nothing to hide at all.
  5. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    Thanks for the kind offer, but maybe this is something that you need to take responsibility for resolving yourself.

    Seriously, you might be well advised to look into the full legal situation and its ramifications before you draft your "For Sale, Ringer..." type advertisement. You could already be half way across a minefield. Cutting the thing up (no harm in selling some of the pieces) and destroying the chassis number & documents is probably the best future-proofing option.
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  6. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    Which half? :)
  7. LiamR

    Z Club Member

    What I like is the terms you use like.. ringer. It has it's original vin number and documents.

    It's a shell that's had very bad repairs carried out on it using parts from scrapped cars. It's not actually 2 cars cut down the middle and welded together with a different number plate strapped on for a laugh.

    In your view would you describe a car that has had good repairs carried out as a ringer?

    Just curious.
  8. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    In your original (or was it the second?) thread where you discovered the true state of the bodyshell after blasting, it was indeed described as "two cars welded together". Wasn't that the title and topic of a related YouTube video too?

    The term "Ringer" is (appropriately...) a little grey around the edges and it can cover several different scenarios. In your car's case, if it is indeed 'two cars welded together' then at least one half hasn't got its original chassis number and documents, has it...? And haven't I seen you yourself describing it as a ringer?

    Ah. Has the narrative changed slightly?

    Straw Man Fallacy. It's *your* car that's being discussed here, not some other - imaginary - example. Old cars need to be assessed on a case-by-case basis.

    What do you think a professional engineer/assessor would make of your car? Would it be classed as Cat. A, Cat. B or Cat. S(C)? My guess (probably slightly different to a close mate's) is that it would have been A or B at some point, and should not have been on the road.

    Somebody (looks like it's me...) need to be Devil's Advocate here. As you have found, cars like this one are going to keep popping up as long as people keep playing pass-the-parcel with them. You have the opportunity - and the responsibility - to take this one out of circulation.
  9. LiamR

    Z Club Member

    So if someone messaged me and said... Liam I'd love to have your car. It's a car I've always wanted. I can't afford the ridiculous prices that Z's have been of recent times, but I can afford the shell you have and I have the skills and knowledge to carry out the appropriate repair work to get the shell back to 100%. Who am I to deny them?

    No sorry mate you can't because some old bloke on the forums has a bee in his bonnet about people selling Datsuns in need of repair. Unless it's done or seen by him, everything is trash.
  10. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    Interesting, but it is a fantasy. The shell is not 'repairable' in any realistic sense. We are not talking about replacing sections of the unibody in the way that the factory built it, are we? This is - quoted in the videos no less - a 'Cut and Shut'. The cuts across the rear section of the body, across the floor, up the trans tunnel and down through the middle of the firewall do not follow any replacement factory body sections or joints, so how can they be 'repaired'?

    Yes that's exactly what I've been saying, isn't it?

    Let's cut to the chase here. You bought a sh*tbox. That much could have been seen by experienced eyes (you know, like "old blokes" who have been around these cars a bit might have) or even suspected by cautious eyes after a little bit of investigation.

    Personally I reckon I could have spotted most of the elephant in the room when the car was stripped before blasting, so I don't know what the big surprise was after blasting. Could your friend seriously not see the joins when it was being taken apart?

    Maybe you need a few better-informed people around you to give you a second opinion, because - as far as I can see - you've been chucking time and good money after bad.
  11. LiamR

    Z Club Member

    Admin please lock this thread.

    Totally off original topic. I have found the information I was looking for.
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  12. SeanDezart

    SeanDezart Well-Known Forum User

    In the light of Alan's remarks, to you still standby your above comments when the seller advertises it honestly, warts and all? Liam please PM me any videos and what is/isn't included, thanks.

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