World's Fastest 350Z

[grolls]

The New Oxford Shorter English Dictionary.


Now lets play a word association game

cant do that im fraid, cos i aint got no diktionary....as most of you well know, however, riders/drivers that use corners have bigger balls! not that i wouldn't doff my cap to any driver that does 1/4 mile in 6s or under

 

[Mr.F]

Don't misunderstand me - I am in basic agreement with your argument Albrecht, but the drag car in question is not just a "No-name" special - it is inspired by and based around the visual concept of a 350Z. If the team had chosen to use a Corvette, I would still happily call it a Corvette when referring to it even if it had no original Corvette panels or VIN left on it.

In no way was I implying that you do not understand drag or any other form of racing - the point is that the car was designed and built for a purpose which, given the constraint of the engine choice, I'd say it does admirably.

Why would it being "American" offend me? Care to explain that?

Your previous debates on this forum concerning the influence of the American market and the history of the Fairlady were in my mind after this came up in discussion with someone else yesterday - a cheap shot which I'll happily retract and apologise for if the comment is found to be out of order....you know we don't seek to offend, even if the written word on a web forum sometimes makes us appear that way! I mean, some people might have taken this the wrong way:

Mind you, any Z33 that disappears out of sight extremely quickly is to be applauded

And finally:

talking about cars comes a close third

When work involves talking about cars and all my customers are car nuts, it comes first, second and third...

 

[zedhead260]

however, riders/drivers that use corners have bigger balls! not that i wouldn't doff my cap to any driver that does 1/4 mile in 6s or under

Would agree with you there, but maybe raise the 1/4 mile to low 10 seconds.

I can't imagine you'd jump into Ratz and fling it up the strip without breaking sweat.

 

[Albrecht]

Don't misunderstand me - I am in basic agreement with your argument Albrecht, but the drag car in question is not just a "No-name" special - it is inspired by and based around the visual concept of a 350Z. ......

.......In no way was I implying that you do not understand drag or any other form of racing - the point is that the car was designed and built for a purpose which, given the constraint of the engine choice, I'd say it does admirably.

I agree that the engine development is a great achievement, but we will have to agree to disagree over whether the car in question can truly be called "a 350Z" when it appears that the only '350Z'-sourced component is the base engine......

Your previous debates on this forum concerning the influence of the American market and the history of the Fairlady were in my mind after this came up in discussion with someone else yesterday - a cheap shot which I'll happily retract and apologise for if the comment is found to be out of order.......

The problem I often encounter is that these days nobody is allowed to say anything that can be construed to be 'against' the United States of America. So when I try to present a counter-view to that "An American Car, Made In Japan" quote, I get the Anti-American finger pointed at me. Which means that patently wrong information ( which often originates from inaccurate advertising copy or sales-related spiel ) is allowed to become historical fact.

But if I criticise a book by a British author, or even a Japanese author - both have made mistakes - I'm not usually cast as anti-British or anti-Japanese, so what gives?

Perhaps this "someone else" you were discussing me with has actually met and talked to me about the subject? Most likely not, eh? The usual scenario.

....you know we don't seek to offend, even if the written word on a web forum sometimes makes us appear that way! I mean, some people might have taken this the wrong way:

Mind you, any Z33 that disappears out of sight extremely quickly is to be applauded

Anybody that took such an obviously affectionate punch "the wrong way" ( especially with three smilies attached ) needs to be a little bit more confident about their choice of car, wouldn't you think?

 

[grolls]

Would agree with you there, but maybe raise the 1/4 mile to low 10 seconds.

I can't imagine you'd jump into Ratz and fling it up the strip without breaking sweat.

a tad off subject ish, but i would certainly be prepared to try it with no probs, my last race bike in standard road trim would do a 1/4 in 10-11 secs, in full race trim it would have blitz that and with no roll bars or wheelie bars etc. and for what its worth thats probably the reason it kept breaking my bones everytime I high sided.

 

[STEVE BURNS]

I STILL PREFER TO MEASURE SPEED OVER A DISTANCE, PREFERABLY LAP-TIMES so there !!!

So you are saying (loudly for some reason) that in you view Kerron Clement and not Asafa Powell is the worlds fastest man.

 

[Mr.F]

Anybody that took such an obviously affectionate punch "the wrong way" ( especially with three smilies attached ) needs to be a little bit more confident about their choice of car, wouldn't you think?

Most 350 owners are confident that they have chosen "the right car". Smilies with tongues out aren't as kind as plain smilies in my book...

You are right - agree to disagree and enjoy the vids and pics for what they are: top class drag racing achievement (until the next best thing).

actually met and talked to me about the subject? Most likely not, eh?

In many cases of violent disagreement on this forum, the protagonists have never met face to face and can't judge the tone of an individual's comments from the written word. Thus, we are all easily misinterpreted on here.

 

[zedhead260]

Is that "World" as in 'USA'?........

Why would it being "American" offend me? Care to explain that?

It's probably something to do with your cynicism Al'

 

[Albrecht]

It's probably something to do with your cynicism Al'

So you find it "cynical" for me to point out that The United States of America ( as a nation ) has had a tendency to become somewhat introspective when it comes to 'The World' over the last couple of decades?

If you don't acknowledge that this is a fact, then I think you must have different points of reference to me. Perhaps we shouldn't 'go there' on this Forum, as it will mix politics with philosophy on a car-related site.

My 'attitude' towards The United States Of America in relation to the subject of this Forum ( Nissan's Z cars ) is quite simple. I'll be pleased to converse with you on the subject if you are interested enough.

 

[zedhead260]

So you find it "cynical" for me to point out that The United States of America ( as a nation ) has had a tendency to become somewhat introspective when it comes to 'The World' over the last couple of decades?

If you had something to counter the claim (ie, Japan's fastest 350Z, that was in fact faster), then perhaps it wouldn't have come across as so. Or do we then get back to the definition of a 350Z, percentage of original parts etc ?

If you don't acknowledge that this is a fact, then I think you must have different points of reference to me. Perhaps we shouldn't 'go there' on this Forum, as it will mix politics with philosophy on a car-related site.

Yes, I can acknowledge this as a fact. But you were the one to infer "The World according to America" on a car-related site.

My 'attitude' towards The United States Of America in relation to the subject of this Forum ( Nissan's Z cars ) is quite simple. I'll be pleased to converse with you on the subject if you are interested enough.

Yes, would love to.

How about in the fire-up lane during next seasons drag race challenge ?

 

[Albrecht]

If you had something to counter the claim (ie, Japan's fastest 350Z, that was in fact faster), then perhaps it wouldn't have come across as so.

I think - with a bit of looking ( leave it with me ) - I might be able to come up with some information on a Z33 ( not necessarily a '350Z' ) that has been clocked at a higher top speed. But that would bring us back to that "Fastest" / "Quickest" discussion. And also:

Or do we then get back to the definition of a 350Z, percentage of original parts etc ?

Exactly. You made my point for me.

Say - for the sake of argument - I gave you details of a real Z33 ( based on a production car, and not a tube chassis with proprietary top-brand drag racing componentry bolted onto it ) that had been clocked at over 320km/h. Where would our discussion go then? It would not be faster than the Super Pro drag "350Z" in top speed, but it would be more of a Z33 than the drag car. Bringing us back to where we started......

How about in the fire-up lane during next seasons drag race challenge ?

Possibly. But how about a venue of my choice? How do you fancy a trip to the land where 'our' cars were made, to attend the yearly joint meeting of 'Club S30' and the 'S30 Owners Club' at Sagamiko?

 

[grolls]

IPossibly. But how about a venue of my choice? How do you fancy a trip to the land where 'our' cars were made, to attend the yearly joint meeting of 'Club S30' and the 'S30 Owners Club' at Sagamiko?

now that i would be very interested in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[zedhead260]

So perhaps the script roll on the video clip would be better read as "The Worlds Fastest 350Z look-a-like with VQ35 and turbo charged". As opposed to The Worlds Fastest 350Z look-a-like with V8 turbo, or even The Worlds Fastest 350Z look-a-like with normally aspirated VQ35 with 2mm over-bore. The combinations of car definition are as numerous as there are measurements of fastest.

So I guess that any claim of being "The Worlds Fastest" would be open to all sorts of scrutiny. A quick check on guinnessworldrecords.com
and you'll start to see the combinations. Although 1/4 mile times only come up with Joe Gosschalks hearse that ran a 13.7 !!!!!

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/

Possibly. But how about a venue of my choice? How do you fancy a trip to the land where 'our' cars were made, to attend the yearly joint meeting of 'Club S30' and the 'S30 Owners Club' at Sagamiko?

Oh heaven, yes please yes please yes please . Tell me when and I'll book my ticket.

 

[SKiddell]

Joe Gosschalks hearse that ran a 13.7 !!!!!

So my car is slower than a hearse -- great

Slower as in not as quick in the time taken to complete a measured 1/4 of a mile.

 

[Albrecht]

So perhaps the script roll on the video clip would be better read as "The Worlds Fastest 350Z look-a-like with VQ35 and turbo charged". As opposed to The Worlds Fastest 350Z look-a-like with V8 turbo, or even The Worlds Fastest 350Z look-a-like with normally aspirated VQ35 with 2mm over-bore. The combinations of car definition are as numerous as there are measurements of fastest.

That's why race organising bodies have classes and categories, isn't it?

I'm not pointing the finger at Mr F. by the way ( that would be to shoot the messenger ) but I think that "World's Fastest 350Z" slogan on the video and website is stretching it a bit, no?

So I guess that any claim of being "The Worlds Fastest" would be open to all sorts of scrutiny.

I reckon the most logical and honest thing to do would be to actually start out with a "Grolls Mk.29" before you claim it is the "World's Fastest Grolls Mk.29".........


OK - I'll stop flogging this dead horse now.

Oh dear, hang on though:

240Z TLK 30M
Magazine Editor
Location: Rutland,
Owner of the UK's quickest (over a measured 1/4 mile) Blue (115), Datsun 240Z, fitted with an engine that would be in keeping with the inline 6 "L" series, of a capacity not exceeding 2800 cc, using non forced induction. Unfortunately the screws holding the console in are not original so I am not sure it counts as a 240Z

Of course it counts as a '240Z'...... even with its high-tech 'vinyl roof'........

If a 600kg, tube-chassised, plastic-bodied 'looky-likey' was racing against you in the same class I bet you'd have something to say about it, wouldn't you? If something like that beat you and the owner still claimed it was a "240Z", you'd feel like the moral victor, wouldn't you?

 

[Albrecht]

now that i would be very interested in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh heaven, yes please yes please yes please . Tell me when and I'll book my ticket.

You'll have to hurry. The 2005 event is in November.....

Give me a couple of hours to collate them and I'll post a few taster photos from the 2003 and 2004 events. Bear with me........

 

[pmac]

OK - I'll stop flogging this dead horse now.

(message from dead horse).......YES PLEASE!!!

More interestingly tho... how about organizing a 2006 tour to Japan for us???
Given enough notice(and relief pharmacist availability) I too would be up for "Albrechts 2006 S30 Tour

 

[SKiddell]

even with its high-tech 'vinyl roof'........

I asked for that one didnt I

On the subject of "The Z club does Japan - 2006" I would be up for it, its a once in a lifetime chance -- too good to miss

 

[Albrecht]

More interestingly tho... how about organizing a 2006 tour to Japan for us???
Given enough notice(and relief pharmacist availability) I too would be up for "Albrechts 2006 S30 Tour

On the subject of "The Z club does Japan - 2006" I would be up for it, its a once in a lifetime chance -- too good to miss

Whoah there! I never said I'd organise anything for anybody. I'll tell you the date, the time and the place - but after that you're on your own. I've 'chaperoned' some Europeans in Japan before, and wouldn't want to do it again.

On the subject of top speeds ( er, loosely related to this thread's topic, and the way it developed ) I reckon these aren't too shabby:

 

[completewally]

I'm thinkin you just took all the joy out of a perfectly wonderful thread Al.
I would like to point out that I LOVED the sight of that 350Z blitzing the track like it did ! Sorry if I'm not a technical history nut, but to me ( and many others i think ) it's a 350 ! I digress. plainandsimplewally