Wheels too big

Rob Gaskin

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I know the young guys will disagree with me but I really do think that the manufacturers have gone OTT just to make their cars look sporty and appeal to the impressionable.

The driving experience of my 370Z is spoilt by it's wheel size, this impacts in lots of ways:

Road Noise - really really loud. On some surfaces it's deafening and the tyres 'hum' as if they are rubbing on bodywork. This is the same on original Bridgestones or the Toyos on now.

Tramlining - really bad even the wife feels it as a passenger.

Kerbing - it's so easy to catch the rims. I never park with the passenger side against the kerb - extreme I know but necessary.

Cost - I'm told a set of wheels from Nissan is £5000!!!! How can that be justified? Tyres - rear £350 each at best!

Breakdown - no room for a spare and different sizes front and back anyway. If I 'hole' a tyre I'm in the hands of a breakdown service. If it happened at night 100 mls from home I'd probably be in a hotel, ridiculous.

Scrubbing - front tyres are too wide to rotate scrub-free on full-lock. Yes tracking is fine. The car 'lurches' when reversing out of my drive.

Grip - on anything but a dry surface beware. If it's snowy or muddy forget it, it's embarrassing. Without a stability programme these cars would be dangerous.

TBH I reckon the non-GT version would probably drive better - narrower, higher profile smaller dia.

The reason for this rant - went to Race Retro at the weekend and got stuck and it was 2 hours before I got into the show! Towed out by a huge tractor! Traction control, LSD and new tyres did nothing - no grip whatsoever! I can't emphasize that enough, NO grip - I couldn't even 'rock' the car. Next time I ignore the parking attendant and park on tarmac.

I read so many posts on here asking what the maximum size wheel and tyre is for a 240Z. My 240Z gripped and handled great on 195/55/15 trackday tyres, so it's not performance folks are after. Ok some really powerful hybrid cars (or my 370) might need wider to get the power down in the dry but boy are there drawbacks!
 

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zpuppy

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Couldn't agree with you more mate,,,, put 18" by 9.5's on mine and promptly took em thee hell off after 2 weeks,,,absolutely bloody dangerous, even in light rain( mildy moist ) as they say on "top gear" :eek:
 

Ian

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I'm young but I agree with you, but for me most things I do to my cars are for performance reasons rather than style which is why I won't run bigger than 15's on my EF Civic and only reason I'm going for 16's on the Datsun will be for reasons of brake clearance.

I just find smaller wheels perform better, lighter, cheaper tyres, better ride. It does depend on grip though, if you want good traction in the dry on a powerfull car then you need a fair bit of rubber but its also a balance.
 

JK240

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I know the young guys will disagree with me but I really do think that the manufacturers have gone OTT just to make their cars look sporty and appeal to the impressionable.

....and no one ever stands up for me on the bus anymore, and what is that rubbish they play on Radio 1 these days, and have you seen the price of a pint of milk, I used to be able to go t'cinema and get fish and chips ont way home and still have change left over........

:D
 

Nigel Brook

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JK240;196086]....and no one ever stands up for me on the bus anymore, and what is that rubbish they play on Radio 1 these days, and have you seen the price of a pint of milk, I used to be able to go t'cinema and get fish and chips ont way home and still have change left over........

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You'll get there one day!;)
 

rallymanDP

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Your Day will come, young Jonathan, and then there will be more than three Grumpy Old Men on this website, and right now, Rob and I are not the Grumpiest.....
 

morbias

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That's madness!

so... are you considering fitting some 15x6J wheels with massive sidewalls? :)
 

Rob Gaskin

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I think I've got my point over but as I said: imagine cutting a tyre one evening! I know it's quite common these days to not have a spare (e.g. Mini) but I bet those tyres are easier to find. That is the reason why I have a spare set and paid for 'Breakdown Recovery' on such a reliable car.

Another 'little' issue. My friendly local tyre fitter who used to swap my trackday tyres around for me (and who welded strengthening plates on my 240Z for the MSA ARBs) cannot fit 370 tyres because they are so big. They need fitting from the rear of the wheel and he hasn't the equipment to do it.

So getting stuck on grass at the weekend just brought all these issues to the surface. Great car but I'm sure it would be better with the 'Basic' 370Z wheels and tyres (18 not 19", higher profile and narrower - mine are 10" at the rear).

Can you believe I bought my spare set from a wheel dealer who had sold a guy (with an almost new 370) BIGGER wheels.
 

datsfun

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Another 'little' issue. My friendly local tyre fitter who used to swap my trackday tyres around for me (and who welded strengthening plates on my 240Z for the MSA ARBs) cannot fit 370 tyres because they are so big. They need fitting from the rear of the wheel and he hasn't the equipment to do it.

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Rob, your tyre guy needs to move into the 21st century:smash: ! Their daily wages are now being paid by punters who swan around in motors which have 20"+ tyres ( R Rovers, BM's etc)
 

Rob Gaskin

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Rob, your tyre guy needs to move into the 21st century:smash: ! Their daily wages are now being paid by punters who swan around in motors which have 20"+ tyres ( R Rovers, BM's etc)

Do you want to tell him? ;)

He's a great guy, loves classics too. I took my wheels to him, he got the tyres (Toyo T1 Sport this time) and a tyre mate of his fitted them. Happy Days :D

Here he is welding some nice strong chassis plates for my beefy anti-roll bars
 

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Paul_S

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I half agree. I expect the ride would be better on 18"s but I love the look of the 19"s on the 370Z. 20"s look totally wrong to me, but 18"s a bit too small.

The Bridgestones are quite expensive (and a bit rubbish IMHO) and you can get other better tyres for less. My front used to scrub on Bridgestones but don't at all whatever the conditions with the Hankooks.

My biggest gripe with the 19"s is the lack of winter tyre options.
 
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