V5 issues

Kest

Club Member
Hey guys,
i hope someone on here will be able to help me with the first part of my puzzle, registration.
heres the story, my old man bought a 260 2/2 some years ago - v5 all good and everyone happy.
at some point my old man gets an update v5 and it now erroneously states the car is a Datsun 180y, all the other details are correct including the original 260 engine number as was (id like to see a 180 with a 2.6 in it).
As the car was a project this didnt get tackled at the time.
Now due to the loss of my father the car is now mine, but the registration....
two questions, first is how do i fix this? send dvla a letter saying its wrong? or?
secondly in what order do you guys think it best to approach - the correct v5 - change of registered keeper - engine number changeover (old engine got dropped out and new engine not in place yet).
I think if i tried to do it all together alarm bells would ring of it being a ringer.

any help would be very much appreciated
 

Bazzateer

Club Member
The DVLA should be able to help. They will probably require photos of the chassis plate etc, and any other evidence to prove it's provenance. Call them.

Years ago I bought an Austin Healey Sprite. The V5 showed the make as Austin and the model as Healey Sprite (make was Austin Healey and the model was Sprite). I sent a letter explaining the error along with photos of the car, the chassis plate and the Heritage certificate. Got a corrected V5 in the post a few weeks later.
 

Kest

Club Member
The DVLA should be able to help. They will probably require photos of the chassis plate etc, and any other evidence to prove it's provenance. Call them.

Years ago I bought an Austin Healey Sprite. The V5 showed the make as Austin and the model as Healey Sprite (make was Austin Healey and the model was Sprite). I sent a letter explaining the error along with photos of the car, the chassis plate and the Heritage certificate. Got a corrected V5 in the post a few weeks later.

Already took off the paint on the bulkhead to get the chassis number.
I figured the club would help as to the provenance of the car with the chassis number in hand one could ascertain the year build etc. But little old me on my own holds little weight with the DVLA.
I'll try and speak to a person at the DVLA and see how that plays out.
Cheers
 

Bazzateer

Club Member
Something from the club will help. With my Austin Healey (it was 1994) so no internet etc. I called the DVLA and the very nice lady I spoke to told me what they needed. At the time she made it sound like a relatively common issue.
 

jonbills

Membership Secretary
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does the chassis number on the v5 match the one on the car?
if so, should be possible to get them to agree the model is a clerical error.
 
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datsfun

Club Member
at some point my old man gets an update v5 and it now erroneously states the car is a Datsun 180y,....

There was never a Nissan/Datsun 180y

That alone should get them to conceed that its an admin error :p
 

Kest

Club Member
does the chassis number on the v5 match the one on the car?
if so, should be possible to get themto agree the model is a clerical error.
No, the chassis number stamped/scratched into the bulkhead above the servo does not match the one on the v5. im starting to feel ive got a bigger problem than i first thought.
 

Kest

Club Member
Chassis number GRS30-021305
absolutely no sign of the chassis number being chopped out etc. Which makes me think that maybe, getting it reregistered may be an easier route ?

And my mistake datsfun, Datsun 180b MK2 but 2.6 engine anyway.
 

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datsfun

Club Member
Chassis number GRS30-021305
absolutely no sign of the chassis number being chopped out etc. Which makes me think that maybe, getting it reregistered may be an easier route ?

And my mistake datsfun, Datsun 180b MK2 but 2.6 engine anyway.

I will let others pipe in regarding the GRS30 chassis code....

As for the V5, yes there was a 180b MkII. The VIN number on that is KP810 which would be for a 2 door coupe. So a few things line up. But they were never supplied with a L26 engine so ..

Maybe, just maybe DVLA may have the original V5 details on their records

At this stage, I would do some more digging before picking up the phone to them ;)
 

jonbills

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So the V5 really is for a 180b, but has a few errors :)
The chassis number on the car I think is correct for a UK 260z 2+2.

If you're sure that your dad once had a V5 with correct chassis number and model/type, and it got changed in a v5 update from DVLA, then it will be a DVLA mistake and you should be able to contact DVLA and point out the error and have them fix it.
If you're not actually sure that you ever had the V5 for the car it's a bit trickier, but TBH I think you'll eventually have to bite the bullet and sort it out with them because you'll never sell it with that v5.
IMO.
 

Farmer42

Club Member
Do you have any other paperwork that has either the VIN or Registration number showing it to be a 260Z e.g. Tax reminders, MOT certs, Insurance docs etc.? If so, send that with a letter saying you have just acquired the vehicle and need a V5. It might cost you £25 but it is worth it rather than trying to get DVLA to own up to and correct a mistake - if it is a mistake. If you have the VIN but not the registration ask for a V5 but say you don't have the registration. I would also take some photos of the VIN number and the whole car. I would sort out the vehicle details before anything else. DVLA are having staffing problems at the moment so asking them to do multiple things may cause problems. As Jon has said, you will have problems selling or insuring it without a correct V5.
 

8658kv

Club Member
Hi
Your car chassis number ( on the bulkhead ) and engine number on the logbook are correct.
Car Consigned and registered in 1978, Paint code 216, White.

I Hpi'd the chassis number on the bulkhead, nothing exsists.

Then Hpi'd the chassis number on the logbook.

Has been involved in an accident, a CAT C.

Has vehicle ID alert. ( seems obvious, not really sure why ).
Red Datsun 180b MK11.
Engine size 1770
Not sure when your father bought the car, start of current keeper 01/05/2004.
Original registration date the same 05/04/1978

Ironically had a Vehicle identificattion check (VIC) 24/05/2004. Due to being a Cat C.

Hopefully this should have no relevance to your car, only to the KP chassis number.

DVLA appear to have made a huge error.

To correct this, I would put the engine/box back in the car ( doesn't need to run ).Just needs to look as complete and together as possible.

If the car's all in pieces, potential for DVLA to put on a Q reg.

As said above, take pictures of the car both sides, front/back. chassis number in bulkhead and aluminium plate. This may avoid need them to inspect, not sure they are at present.

Would be interested to see the front of the logbook, if it tallies with the HPI report, should say " substantially damaged, insurers did not repair, Cat C" Or words to that effect.

If you want a copy of the HPi Report, PM me your email address and will send across.

Steve
 

Dale

Club Member
It’s funny that you’ve found out it was originally white, or white at some point Steve. I wondered if it was possible there was a typo at some point and checked the MOT history of YEV 689S and it shows as a 260Z in white. Might be a coincidence though as they’ll be a number of Datsun registered at the same time with close ref numbers.
 

MaximG

Club Member
It’s funny that you’ve found out it was originally white, or white at some point Steve. I wondered if it was possible there was a typo at some point and checked the MOT history of YEV 689S and it shows as a 260Z in white. Might be a coincidence though as they’ll be a number of Datsun registered at the same time with close ref numbers.

I wonder if you can use the V111 to get any info on the above reg, to try and confirm the Chassis and Engine number. After all it shouldn't be covered by data protection.
 

Kest

Club Member
Ok so I did a little more digging around, I found two old tax discs in the car confirming the registration number yev698s - it would have been so much easier if the tax discs said yev689s.
That being said though I also looked under the disintegrated roof lining and discovered what appears to be original white paint. The body work shows that its probably been red in the past and now yellow.
I also checked about 60 registration numbers from yev660s through to yev723s of which most are Datsuns but only two are Zs 689 and 707. Which IMO further suggests DVLA mistake.

It’s funny that you’ve found out it was originally white, or white at some point Steve. I wondered if it was possible there was a typo at some point and checked the MOT history of YEV 689S and it shows as a 260Z in white. Might be a coincidence though as they’ll be a number of Datsun registered at the same time with close ref numbers.
Thankyou for this, it didn't even occur to me to search possible mistakes, it seems this is the issue that has come about.
Hi
Your car chassis number ( on the bulkhead ) and engine number on the logbook are correct.
Car Consigned and registered in 1978, Paint code 216, White.

I Hpi'd the chassis number on the bulkhead, nothing exsists.

Then Hpi'd the chassis number on the logbook.

Has been involved in an accident, a CAT C.

Has vehicle ID alert. ( seems obvious, not really sure why ).
Red Datsun 180b MK11.
Engine size 1770
Not sure when your father bought the car, start of current keeper 01/05/2004.
Original registration date the same 05/04/1978

Ironically had a Vehicle identificattion check (VIC) 24/05/2004. Due to being a Cat C.

Hopefully this should have no relevance to your car, only to the KP chassis number.

DVLA appear to have made a huge error.

To correct this, I would put the engine/box back in the car ( doesn't need to run ).Just needs to look as complete and together as possible.

If the car's all in pieces, potential for DVLA to put on a Q reg.

As said above, take pictures of the car both sides, front/back. chassis number in bulkhead and aluminium plate. This may avoid need them to inspect, not sure they are at present.

Would be interested to see the front of the logbook, if it tallies with the HPI report, should say " substantially damaged, insurers did not repair, Cat C" Or words to that effect.

If you want a copy of the HPi Report, PM me your email address and will send across.

Steve
Steve this is also very helpful indeed and thankyou for putting in your time.
The timings seem right (roughly) as when my dad got the car, and some things fit, I've attached a picture of all the logbook now and as you see no cat c etc. Which is confusing, also my father wouldn't of taken it to be checked as the car was a project car and not cat c (I think I'm right in thinking you only bother getting it checked when it's ready to be back on the road- was for my mini years ago). So that part also seems to be getting wires crossed somewhere.
I'm starting to feel I've got the history of two cars on one logbook now. Which of course stinks of DVLA cock up. But still not sure which is the best avenue to go down to rectify. IMG_20210203_114524.jpg IMG_20210203_114537.jpg IMG_20210203_114543.jpg IMG_20210203_121346.jpg
 

8658kv

Club Member
Ok so I did a little more digging around, I found two old tax discs in the car confirming the registration number yev698s - it would have been so much easier if the tax discs said yev689s.
That being said though I also looked under the disintegrated roof lining and discovered what appears to be original white paint. The body work shows that its probably been red in the past and now yellow.
I also checked about 60 registration numbers from yev660s through to yev723s of which most are Datsuns but only two are Zs 689 and 707. Which IMO further suggests DVLA mistake.


Thankyou for this, it didn't even occur to me to search possible mistakes, it seems this is the issue that has come about.

Steve this is also very helpful indeed and thankyou for putting in your time.
The timings seem right (roughly) as when my dad got the car, and some things fit, I've attached a picture of all the logbook now and as you see no cat c etc. Which is confusing, also my father wouldn't of taken it to be checked as the car was a project car and not cat c (I think I'm right in thinking you only bother getting it checked when it's ready to be back on the road- was for my mini years ago). So that part also seems to be getting wires crossed somewhere.
I'm starting to feel I've got the history of two cars on one logbook now. Which of course stinks of DVLA cock up. But still not sure which is the best avenue to go down to rectify. View attachment 43507 View attachment 43508 View attachment 43509 View attachment 43510

Just an update,

Dale worked it out.

When I Hpi'd the correct chassis number, nothing came up.

Earlier I Hpi'd the the reg Dale put forward, this came up as a match for your car Chassis and engine number.

I have a copy of both HPI reports.

I would then write a letter explaining whats happened to DVLA with both HPI results. They should correct your V5.

Steve
 

Kest

Club Member
Do you have any other paperwork that has either the VIN or Registration number showing it to be a 260Z e.g. Tax reminders, MOT certs, Insurance docs etc.? If so, send that with a letter saying you have just acquired the vehicle and need a V5. It might cost you £25 but it is worth it rather than trying to get DVLA to own up to and correct a mistake - if it is a mistake. If you have the VIN but not the registration ask for a V5 but say you don't have the registration. I would also take some photos of the VIN number and the whole car. I would sort out the vehicle details before anything else. DVLA are having staffing problems at the moment so asking them to do multiple things may cause problems. As Jon has said, you will have problems selling or insuring it without a correct V5.
I agree the car is pretty much good for parts only if I can't sort out the v5 for it. But I've got time to sort it out, and also it's not gonna get sold or insured anytime soon so I'm not too worried, but am concerned that a solution cannot be found. I was told today that my father did try to rectify this many years ago, but he was never very good with pushing his point over the phone etc and abandoned the idea and entertained the idea of getting a different v5and plates from a different car (hugely popular idea I've heard, so I'm really glad he didn't see that through either).
I do think that maybe quoting the vin number and saying I have no v5 or reg may be the easier route to follow, but worry they will Q plate me for that. I've heard that reregistration is a thing but then I loose any history the car did have on record, which may be a better history than the mixed up one that I currently have.
 

Kest

Club Member
Just an update,

Dale worked it out.

When I Hpi'd the correct chassis number, nothing came up.

Earlier I Hpi'd the the reg Dale put forward, this came up as a match for your car Chassis and engine number.

I have a copy of both HPI reports.

I would then write a letter explaining whats happened to DVLA with both HPI results. They should correct your V5.

Steve
Dude, top man. So happy.
Thankyou so much, I don't think the DVLA can argue with that now can they.
 
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