RB head on L-Gata

atomman

Club Member
That's an RB26 sandwich plate, it won't fit an RB20.

ok thanks why wont it fit ? different mounting centres ?

may be easier to chop up the other one then, i could just water cut some of those DCOE flanges and TiG them on
 

Mark N

Club Member
ok thanks why wont it fit ? different mounting centres ?

may be easier to chop up the other one then, i could just water cut some of those DCOE flanges and TiG them on

Yes, different pattern, I put the link on post 12 for the adapter between the head and sandwich plate.
 

Garaculas

Club Member
This is something i was very interested in doing at one point but not sure on the bang for buck and what kind of hp/peak rpm figures you would be looking at for an RBL
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
Atomman, any thoughts on 'clocking'/'unclocking' (even slightly) the L-gata's installation angle to give a little more scope for inlet/exhaust manifold shape/packaging, and - as a spin-off - getting closer to the RB's much more upright installation angle to mitigate any top-end oil pooling/oil draining issues?

LY (crossflow) 'clocked' the L-gata block even more to allow max scope for long inlets and ECGI injection via a dedicated bellhousing and engine mounts. I notice that the recent-ish 'Datsunworks' twin cam head stayed with the stock block installation angle and - to my eye anyway - looks a bit odd as a consequence.
 

Mark N

Club Member
Atomman, any thoughts on 'clocking'/'unclocking' (even slightly) the L-gata's installation angle to give a little more scope for inlet/exhaust manifold shape/packaging, and - as a spin-off - getting closer to the RB's much more upright installation angle to mitigate any top-end oil pooling/oil draining issues?

LY (crossflow) 'clocked' the L-gata block even more to allow max scope for long inlets and ECGI injection via a dedicated bellhousing and engine mounts. I notice that the recent-ish 'Datsunworks' twin cam head stayed with the stock block installation angle and - to my eye anyway - looks a bit odd as a consequence.

There are various head drain kits available for RB engines as this is a common problem with them, especially once uprated oil pumps are installed.
 

atomman

Club Member
Here's my take on a similar topic.

Now that looks awesome Jon !

I'm thinking of either something like that or 3 separate mini manifolds joined with coolant tube above like in the red Z , can't get near a machine for a while though
 

atomman

Club Member
Atomman, any thoughts on 'clocking'/'unclocking' (even slightly) the L-gata's installation angle to give a little more scope for inlet/exhaust manifold shape/packaging, and - as a spin-off - getting closer to the RB's much more upright installation angle to mitigate any top-end oil pooling/oil draining issues?

LY (crossflow) 'clocked' the L-gata block even more to allow max scope for long inlets and ECGI injection via a dedicated bellhousing and engine mounts. I notice that the recent-ish 'Datsunworks' twin cam head stayed with the stock block installation angle and - to my eye anyway - looks a bit odd as a consequence.

The thought came across my mind today as it goes , when I was looking at the oil return's on the RB head, and thinking about gravity returns, and remembered I machined an angle on the inlet manifold to keep the float chambers level for the L-gata,

interesting they 'clocked' the engine and gearbox for the LY , when I think about it if you didn't 'unclock' the box the gear stick would be the wrong angle , will have to do some measurements to see how far it needs to go ,
 
The thought came across my mind today as it goes , when I was looking at the oil return's on the RB head, and thinking about gravity returns, and remembered I machined an angle on the inlet manifold to keep the float chambers level for the L-gata,

interesting they 'clocked' the engine and gearbox for the LY , when I think about it if you didn't 'unclock' the box the gear stick would be the wrong angle , will have to do some measurements to see how far it needs to go ,

a linkage arrangement would sort that though?
 

atomman

Club Member
After my working from home Zoom meetings this morning and a bit of CAD work on Ventilator parts , I got some time to have another look at the RB-L , Now i know what to call it from the video links , thank Rich ,

Front pulley off and lower cover, head does indeed bolt on, just nipped up for now,

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the rear is a bit short and the water ways are showing them selves from the L-gata block , IMG_20200513_141742.jpg

The cams stick out further than L-gata one, so I can now see why others have done what they have with timing chains, I want to keep the font cover as standard as I can so there is only room for one Duplex chain to come out the top , if I don't want to mess around with water pump relocation, oil pump etc .

So plan is to take the chain up to another gear and then have another gear inline to step out and inline with the RB cams , this will keep it outside the L-gata front cover and then make a sort of RB top cover but sealed like the links from Japan on this thread, This should allow me to use a factory'ish chain tensioner and then come up with something for the top ,

something like this

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excuse the long chains

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I had some spare old timing chains, bottom sprocket and cam gears, which fit on the RB cams funnily , which came in handy , could get away with smaller sprokets but need to count teeth and stuff to see ratios for RB and L-gata, Or I could always go full OS-Giken and run gears ...........
 

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