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Rob Gaskin

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Hi Alan, yes I fully understand that Kevin's car is worth way more than an MZR car but I was trying to make a point. That is where I'd rather put my money than into an MZR car (as stunning as they are).

The rally car is a wonderful piece of history for which I would gladly build a conservatory.
 
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SeanDezart

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Whoah Alan:cool: !

Yes, I'm interested in all things 'works' and competition and more so those that aren't USA based - not because I'm against 'them' but more for the (over here) unsung, underestimated and almost scorned upon JD race achievements.

Liking something doesn't infer hating another - merely a preference - ok ?:thumbs:

I love and respect what Kevin has done with No.5, at least as much as his rallying with OMT and I was speaking from again, a personal preference :

I don't like rallying myself - I prefer circuit so even if I could buy his car - I wouldn't use it and in fact based upon the time and money support needed...I couldn't : ipso facto - not a judicious buy for me.

Do you have any news of that ex-works car or did it just disappear into the New World ?

If I had the budget, I'd a have a dedicated track Z but I haven't so a well-sorted road car that can be amused with however on a track occasionally is just right.

But I bet few of MZRs cars will enjoy a track-day...no probs and each to their own.

As for the Zama museum - it must be fabulous and if only Nissan here would make an effort to appreciate and exploit their heritage whether internally or via the passionate owners - I'd be happy man.
 
Rob Gaskin

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Nigel Brook said:
Is the MZR going to become the new SAMURI ?
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Great minds....:eek:

http://zclub.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28659&page=6 see post Post 90

They would need to successfully race a few first.

They certainly get a very positive reaction from people who have seen them but they would need to do the same during road-testing. No reason why they can't but Samuri's were being compared to the current (on sale) car on which they were based. So different times really.
 
SeanDezart

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Rob. Watch this video and it will help you understand the comparison between MZR and Singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQ4hQSusjE
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Great video - MZR need to publish something similar but who was the bod with the crash helmet on really ragging it on the circuit ?

1x difference explained early on - Singer will sell packages to cars outside of their workshop.

1x theory that MZR are disputing : "(the 911) is THE only potentiel car to have in your garage, your collection...."

The Singer (when I listen to the woner's description in that video) is a can-do-all car, if you only have one classic car in your garage - this is the one for it'll do commutes, tracks, shopping and social runs.

For MZR to compete directly with that, they'd have to redesign the 2+2 Zs' roofline !

So, this is back-dating ? Taking a modern car and making it look/feel older.

But MZR is taking a old car and making it feel younger...non, whilst adding a bit of age into the interior to balance the books ?
 
Rob Gaskin

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racer said:
Rob. Watch this video and it will help you understand the comparison between MZR and Singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQ4hQSusjE
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Thanks Matt, yes I enjoyed that but the car is bonkers - way way over the top. Wonderful engineering but if you 'throw' that much money at it ......

If MZR are after that type of customer then they are doing a good job but IMO (yes mine) people won't spent fortunes on a Datsun so they need to be careful - which I'm sure they are.

I have tended to be at the other end of the spectrum - spend the minimum for the result. Most of the Singer is want rather than need.

I want that rally Datsun but I don't need it - Human Failure!

As I have agreed the MZR Datsuns can enhance the perception of Joe Public about Datsuns - they are 'coming around' to them.
 
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Rob your statement of taking a modern car and making it feel older.the car that does that and has a z handling feel is a BMW Z4 coupe you can feel the old school feel in its handling and steering.sticks like the perferbial to a blanket,one of the best balanced cars out there,might get meself an m3 coupe,going for serious money now
 
johnymd

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I don't think MZR are trying to enhance the perception of Datsun's. The people who are buying MZR's are not buying Datsun's. They are buying the iconic 240z. I love other Datsun's but believe the 240z is the iconic and people with money do want them.
 
SeanDezart

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johnymd said:
I don't think MZR are trying to enhance the perception of Datsun's. The people who are buying MZR's are not buying Datsun's. They are buying the iconic 240z. I love other Datsun's but believe the 240z is the iconic and people with money do want them.
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Hmmm, I'd love Rahail's take on all this. I believe he is trying to enhance the public's perception of Datsun 240Zs.....and he has his own reasons for doing so.

The 240Z IS a Datsun. Agreed it is iconic here and it is the only export S30 people aspire to (have to be soo careful of the terminology nowadays :D).
 
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I saw these MZR cars at the NEC, I must admit that they're stunning, the work that has gone in to them is fantastic and I believe they bring a good bit of publicity to the old Datsuns. Yes I get it they're not original and to a lot of people an 80k price tag would be somewhat eye watering but I also agree with the sentiment above that these cars are aimed at people who want an iconic 240z not a Datsun (desipte it being a Datsun of course). Personally if I had 80k I don't think I'd buy one as I feel they're a bit too far removed from the original spec but I can 100% appreciate the work gone in to them.
 
Mr Tenno

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I think the Singer analogy works well - I only really want one because it's that classic 911 shape and it doesn't particularly raise the status of classic Porsches to me (they do that on their own).

I get the impression MZR would build a car for a customer to whatever spec / level of originality they want provided they were willing to pay for it. If I had the cash to pay someone else to build me a restmod 240z - they look like they'd do a great job.
 
SeanDezart

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Geoff-R said:
Personally if I had 80k I don't think I'd buy one as I feel they're a bit too far removed from the original spec but I can 100% appreciate the work gone in to them.
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So taking that personal view and adding into it that most here, although admiring the MZRs, wouldn't pay that for one of them.....what Z would induce you to pay +£80k on a Z in a forchette of £80-100k ?

Alan has already dashed some hopes with estimated works cars values similar to those quoted by JDClassics.....so, what is left ?
 
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Mr_Tenno said:
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I get the impression MZR would build a car for a customer to whatever spec / level of originality they want provided they were willing to pay for it........
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I wonder if we'll see a 110 Red and Rootes Bronze version with a big front spoiler?:devil:

Joking apart if they could get (buy) agreement from Spike it could be a money spinner.

It's been done with the Mini Cooper, Fiat 500 Abarth, Ford GT and come to think of it recently with the Samuri.
 
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SeanDezart said:
So taking that personal view and adding into it that most here, although admiring the MZRs, wouldn't pay that for one of them.....what Z would induce you to pay +£80k on a Z in a forchette of £80-100k ?

Alan has already dashed some hopes with estimated works cars values similar to those quoted by JDClassics.....so, what is left ?
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I think ultimately we're talking a few years down the line but that sort of money is going to be reserved for examples as close to original as possible.
 
Albrecht

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Rob Gaskin said:
I wonder if we'll see a 110 Red and Rootes Bronze version with a big front spoiler?:devil:

Joking apart if they could get (buy) agreement from Spike it could be a money spinner.

It's been done with the Mini Cooper, Fiat 500 Abarth, Ford GT and come to think of it recently with the Samuri.
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There's a hundred potential jokes in that, but it's my turn to cook dinner tonight and I'll just have to say...

 
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