GTR For sale....

[AD240Z]

It says "Auction Coming Soon", so presumably the actual online bidding hasn't started yet.



If somebody actually wants to buy a car like this, then the main source is - of course - Japan. And it's not like prices there are particularly low. Exchange rate is also a factor. Unless you go there in person to inspect, you're putting yourself in the hands of somebody else and their informed/uninformed opinion. In my personal experience, the better cars tend to stay in Japan because they change hands privately.

At the very least, the Bring-a-Trailer format tends to show plenty of detailed photos of each car. They encourage on-the-lift underside shots and questions can be asked. You don't get that in most Japanese selling formats.

So, all things considered, I think the Bring-a-Trailer 106k USD sale yesterday is a good reference point in 'world market' terms. If nothing else, sales like that have a ripple effect on sellers' expectations.

The bigger question for me is, what do cars like this actually mean? The buyer has spent 106k+ USD and he still hasn't got a GT-R. Strong money for a car pretending to be something that it isn't.

I see that the car in question hasnt become a live auction again as yet.

Everytime I see auctions like this - I start looking and contemplating selling my two S30's ( and one or two other things ) and ruining any retirement plans I may have .......

I have often thought that Japan would be a logical route but wouldnt know where to start.

The lack of vehicles in this country - would logically mean looking at a wider pool of cars globally .

 

[Robbie J]

there was an original one with stock wheels sold in 2021 for £120K. I went to have a look and they had sold it low miles and looked all original. they sound great but really not that fast

 

[Albrecht]

there was an original one with stock wheels sold in 2021 for £120K. I went to have a look and they had sold it low miles and looked all original. they sound great but really not that fast

"an original one" what? You mean a *real* GT-R, right?

"really not that fast"? So, compared to what, and when? The PGC10 2000GT-R debuted in early 1969, the KPGC10 GT-R in late 1970. Show me a 2-litre saloon with a better full-package spec and more power from that period?

This forum is dedicated to Nissan's Z cars. Only the PS30 Fairlady Z432 and PS30-SB Fairlady Z432-R came close to matching the spec of their GT-R contemporaries. The Export market HLS30U 'Datsun 240Z' didn't get anywhere near it in stock form (it was a JOKE in comparison) and the Euro HLS30 and UK/Aus/NZ HS30 'Datsun 240Z' variants were not that much better.

Honestly, sometimes it's like the Fifth Column are part of the team in the classic Nissan world. With friends like this, who needs enemies?

 

[Robbie J]

"an original one" what? You mean a *real* GT-R, right?

"really not that fast"? So, compared to what, and when? The PGC10 2000GT-R debuted in early 1969, the KPGC10 GT-R in late 1970. Show me a 2-litre saloon with a better full-package spec and more power from that period?

This forum is dedicated to Nissan's Z cars. Only the PS30 Fairlady Z432 and PS30-SB Fairlady Z432-R came close to matching the spec of their GT-R contemporaries. The Export market HLS30U 'Datsun 240Z' didn't get anywhere near it in stock form (it was a JOKE in comparison) and the Euro HLS30 and UK/Aus/NZ HS30 'Datsun 240Z' variants were not that much better.

Honestly, sometimes it's like the Fifth Column are part of the team in the classic Nissan world. With friends like this, who needs enemies?

yes it was you commented on knowing that GTR

Anyway compared to other later GTR cars it was quiet slow, it sounded great, and I was only in it for 5mins. The DR30 from the early 80s felt a lot faster (yes its 2lt +TURBO) can only judge on what I've been in.

 

[Albrecht]

yes it was you commented on knowing that GTR

Anyway compared to other later GTR cars it was quiet slow, it sounded great, and I was only in it for 5mins. The DR30 from the early 80s felt a lot faster (yes its 2lt +TURBO) can only judge on what I've been in.

An utterly bizarre line of thinking in relation to a 53+ year old design. It's like saying Napoleon's army was crap because they never used tanks and radar-guided artillery (no wonder they got beat).

My daily driver is an estate car with 276hp and god knows how much torque off the showroom floor. It also has 4WD, heated seats and funky ESP. Should I compare it directly to my 1989 BNR32, which was - for sure - slower in stock form? No. To do so would be retarded.

Sometimes I wonder about some of the people who mingle in the old car world. Where's the perspective? Maybe you need to remind yourself about what was knocking (literally...) around our streets in 1969 and 1970.

 

[Robbie J]

We don't all want to use the car for shows and go 50mph everywhere.... and I have other cars for transport.

Comparing a BNR32 to a modern car is not really valid as its sense of occasion driving GTR is a world away. They were designed to have 500-600BHP to race then they added creature comforts to sell to joe public. Getting anywhere in a GTR is going to be way more fun than your new 4WD. Just because it's not your view of the world doesn't mean it's not valid. I was toddling in 1969 and was not really concerned with cars then, I like the engineering on JDM cars but want it to be usable today what's wrong with that?

 

[Albrecht]

We don't all want to use the car for shows and go 50mph everywhere.... and I have other cars for transport.

Another weird comment. We are not talking Austin 7s here. Sporting cars from the late Sixties and early Seventies period are capable enough to get kicks from on public roads, not to mention license-losing points and life-losing RTAs.

You were making a direct comparison of performance based on a short (passenger?) ride in a pair of cars that were years apart in terms of tech. The PGC10 Skyline GT-R debuted in early 1969 and the KPGC10 Skyline GT-R debuted in late 1970, both using an engine that was developed in the mid-1960s and then adapted/re-jigged for road use. The DR30 Skyline RS Turbo debuted in 1983. There's a decade and a half and 30ps between them. What does the comparison mean?

A more realistic comparison of the C10-series Skyline GT-Rs performance would be made against its period contemporaries. Something like a Mk.1 Escort Twin Cam (106ps) or an Escort RS1600 (117ps) against the PGC10 GT-R's 160ps. Yes, all three will probably feel "slow" in comparison with modern machinery, but so what?

Comparing a BNR32 to a modern car is not really valid as its sense of occasion driving GTR is a world away.

Yes, that's the point. So why are you comparing the KPGC10 to a DR30 Turbo and calling it "quite slow"?

I was toddling in 1969 and was not really concerned with cars then, I like the engineering on JDM cars but want it to be usable today what's wrong with that?

But a C10-series GT-R is perfectly usable. I personally know several people in Japan who rack up serious yearly mileage in S20-powered cars. And yes, each journey is 'an event'. It's not like they are any more delicate or troublesome than a lower spec car that's been modified to look like one...

 

[Robbie J]

"Yes, that's the point. So why are you comparing the KPGC10 to a DR30 Turbo and calling it "quite slow"?"

because it was? we were all on a circuit and accelerating from 5mph. If you want to run a car in modern traffic it has to compare

 

[Albrecht]

"Yes, that's the point. So why are you comparing the KPGC10 to a DR30 Turbo and calling it "quite slow"?"

because it was? we were all on a circuit and accelerating from 5mph. If you want to run a car in modern traffic it has to compare

How is a 1000kg car with an engine rated at 160ps and a 4.44:1 diff ratio not going to manage in "modern traffic"? All the driver has to do is be in the right rev range and the right gear.

By your apparent standards most of the cars owned by people using this forum will be rolling roadblocks.

 

[Robbie J]

so you would drive from London to manchester in it? I think not

 

[Albrecht]

so you would drive from London to manchester in it? I think not

Absolutely, yes*. Why not!? What would be the problem?

*quite apart from the question of why I'd want to go to Madchester in the first place... LOL.

Have you owned 'old' cars before? It sounds like you're somehow... scared of them?

 

[chrisvega]

I regularly drive from Manchester to Devon and reverse journey in classic cars from 70/80's and have done over the last 20 years or so, a 250 mile journey in 240Z/280ZX Turbo/Merc 380SL/Alfa Spider etc.

No issue at all in keeping up with modern day traffic (I can tell you from doing the journey yesterday that modern day traffic is much slower than it was back in the day too due to horrendous volume of traffic on roads nowadays and speed cameras all over the place).

Most scary bit is driving on the so called 'Smart' sections of M5/M6 as always wary you are driving an old car more likely to develop a problem than more modern machinery.

 

[Robbie J]

Absolutely, yes*. Why not!? What would be the problem?

*quite apart from the question of why I'd want to go to Madchester in the first place... LOL.

Have you owned 'old' cars before? It sounds like you're somehow... scared of them?

that's all I drove till my 30s and I have to do a relative run every other month to the rainy land

come on a KPGC10 on a 200mile motorway haul... BNR32 loves it, I'm hoping a DR30 will

 

[chrisvega]

Damn cheek Mr.T

You may want to visit Manchester for some Northern hospitality, to soak up the atmosphere at the 'Theatre of Dreams' and watch a world famous football team play decent football, visit it's museum, go see some decent music from one of the many great bands formed there, visit an art gallery, contemporary at the Whitworth or Lowry, pre-Raphaelite at Manchester Art Gallery....etc etc

 

[Albrecht]

Most scary bit is driving on the so called 'Smart' sections of M5/M6 as always wary you are driving an old car more likely to develop a problem than more modern machinery.

I'd be more concerned about taking an EV on a long journey. Especially if heavy snow was forecast.

You may want to visit Manchester for some Northern hospitality, to soak up the atmosphere at the 'Theatre of Dreams' and watch a world famous football team play decent football, visit it's museum, go see some decent music from one of the many great bands formed there, visit an art gallery, contemporary at the Whitworth or Lowry, pre-Raphaelite at Manchester Art Gallery....etc etc

Noted, but you're preaching to the converted. I'm a serial visitor to regional art galleries (Glasgow's Kelvin Hall is a gem, and I also want to revisit Liverpool's Walker Art Gallery) and when it comes to Manchester I've got a very soft spot* for Chicken Town.
*Hackney Marshes

come on a KPGC10 on a 200mile motorway haul...

Yes. Again I ask, why not? Will it spontaneously combust at the 20 mile mark? Will the pistons automatically ventilate the block as it goes past Watford Gap services?

I don't get it. What's stopping a KPGC10 from making the same journey as a BNR32 or a DR30?

 

[richiep]

I'm with Chris and Alan on this; most years I've owned it, I've done lengthy motorway trips to and from events in the 71 Fairlady Z without issue. E.g. Macclesfield to JDM Combe (or Japfest when it was down there) and back - a 326 mile round trip. Will be doing that again this year with the 75 Celica and if I had a KPGC10 or KGC10 Hakosuka, I'd do the same without batting an eyelid. And Donington Historic, Japfest Silverstone, possibly Japshow Santa Pod, etc. The Z is pretty comfortable for long distance too - tons of leg room IMO. The only downsides are volume and fuel consumption.

There's plenty of people who take their Zs much further on Euro road trips (Le Mans, Spa, etc.) without a problem too.

If the car is mechanically sound and a known entity, there's no reason to believe it can't handle it. We aren't talking about an Austin 7 after all. And its the modern traffic that slows the Z down usually....

 

[chrisvega]

Noted, but you're preaching to the converted. I'm a serial visitor to regional art galleries (Glasgow's Kelvin Hall is a gem, and I also want to revisit Liverpool's Walker Art Gallery) and when it comes to Manchester I've got a very soft spot* for Chicken Town.
*Hackney Marshes

Robbie J can come back in his own time.
Meanwhile for some wet Monday morning Manc. biased entertainment.......
You set me up with an open goal Alan, the bard is from Salford but let's use 'poetic licence' (literally) and not split hairs.

 

[Albrecht]

Robbie J can come back in his own time.

On the back of a low loader, obvs.

Meanwhile for some wet Monday morning Manc. biased entertainment.......

The very thing! JCC should have been given a knighthood ages ago.

 

[Geoff-R]

I'd be more concerned about taking an EV on a long journey. Especially if heavy snow was forecast.

To be honest snow or no snow, an EV on a long journey is tough going. I've driven EV as daily transport for the best part of 4 years now, I might add I've done that based on the benefit in kind rather than being some mis-guided eco warrior. I'd rather take a well maintained 60s, 70s, 80s car on a long journey than EV any day of the week.

 

[Rob Gaskin]

I'm with Chris and Alan on this; most years I've owned it, I've done lengthy motorway trips to and from events in the 71 Fairlady Z without issue. E.g. Macclesfield to JDM Combe (or Japfest when it was down there) and back - a 326 mile round trip. Will be doing that again this year with the 75 Celica and if I had a KPGC10 or KGC10 Hakosuka, I'd do the same without batting an eyelid. And Donington Historic, Japfest Silverstone, possibly Japshow Santa Pod, etc. The Z is pretty comfortable for long distance too - tons of leg room IMO. The only downsides are volume and fuel consumption.

There's plenty of people who take their Zs much further on Euro road trips (Le Mans, Spa, etc.) without a problem too.

If the car is mechanically sound and a known entity, there's no reason to believe it can't handle it. We aren't talking about an Austin 7 after all. And its the modern traffic that slows the Z down usually....

Agreed.