Goodbye - and thanks for all the fish !

[Phil007]

But there again it was at least the 72 percent turnout was the highest % turnout to vote since1992

Steve, you are the voice of reason. There's no argument - Leave won a clear majority under the rules laid down and there's no mileage for Remain campaigners looking for a retrospective shifting of goalposts.

However, you're wrong about the turnout being the 'highest since 1992'. In fact, historically, 72.2% is average to low for a UK-wide election. It's only since 2001 that we've got used to pitifully low turnouts in UK General Elections. 2001 was 59.4%, 2005 - 61.4%, 2010 - 65.1% and 2015 - 66.1% - a gradual upward trend again.

BUT, with the exceptions of 1997 - 71.4% and 1970 - 72%, every other UK General Election since 1945 (including that one) has had a higher turnout than the 2016 EU Referendum. The 1950 GE had a turnout of 83.9%!
Basic figures here, sourced from HoC research papers: http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm

The 2016 turnout was higher than the 1973 EC referendum though (64%) and far higher than Clegg's 2011 AV referendum which only pulled in 42.4 %. As I say, a clear mandate for Leave this time.

On the other hand, given the events of the last few days, it looks like we're probably in for a prolonged period of demos and protests on both sides. Which is nice.

Phil.

 

[STEVE BURNS]

Sorry can not see where the "highest Since 1992" is incorrect even your figures (2001 was 59.4%, 2005 - 61.4%, 2010 - 65.1% and 2015 - 66.1% ) from http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm confirm that

My info came from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...or-eu-referendum-vote-could-break-uk-records/

Britons turned out in huge numbers to vote on their future in the European Union, with 72.2 per cent of registered voters casting their ballots in Thursday's referendum, the Electoral Commission said.

"Counting Officers have verified that a total of 33,568,184 ballot papers will be included in the count for the referendum. Based on a confirmed electorate of 46,500,001, turnout at the referendum was 72.2 percent," the watchdog said.



In 1992 - the highwater mark for participation in recent general elections - a total of 33,614,074 people went to the ballot box - 72.3 per cent. Thursday's referendum narrowly missed beating that record.

The highest post-war turnout was 83.9 per cent in the 1950 general election, but a smaller population meant that was only 28,771,124 votes.

In the 1975 referendum on British membership of the then European Economic Community, 25,903,194 people voted - 64.6 per cent of those eligible.

 

[Ian]

Couldn't be bothered studying this thread.

From what I can see the person most pissed off about the UK leaving is the Frenchy.




One good thing about us leaving for car lovers, they won't be able to stop modified and classic cars anymore like was on the cards.



I can't see NI joining with the republic, would start to much fighting again if that was to happen, plus tax, healthcare and benefits wise it doesn't make sense for anyone in NI to want that, so it would only be for religious or other reasons.

 

[uk66fastback]

Why do you think I was referring to you, Sean ... I was talking about the Remainers - you never got a vote, remember?

 

[SeanDezart]

A majority is a majority
The people who did not vote should really hang their heads in shame no matter which way they would have voted

Really time for all to accept it and to get on with it and we get the best deal that is available for the future of the county

Absolutely.

More than one million people is a big enough majority,some didn't vote so they can't moan if it doesn't go their way,why go on about it,you have a good life over there and will continue to do so,wot you gonner do when France votes to leave,that's on the cards from wot I'm hearing ,not that us Brits are bothered,it's time to look after number one first so enjoy wot you have

I'm not moaning about it now - just sitting down with my popcorn and watching the fun and fireworks. France won't leave - get real.

From what I can see the person most pissed off about the UK leaving is the Frenchy.

Which Frenchy ? This one born in the UK from English parents and holding a British passport ?

Why do you think I was referring to you, Sean ... I was talking about the Remainers - you never got a vote, remember?

Sorry, saw you replying to my post - misunderstanding then.....probably so used to being the firing squad post that I simply assume the role naturally now

 

[SeanDezart]

More than one million people is a big enough majority,some didn't vote so they can't moan if it doesn't go their way,why go on about it

Why tickles me is how so many leave voters go on about people moaning (the comment is suck it up and move on)...as if you're sh*t-scared of enough doubt putting at risk the implementation of the vote's result.

Don't worry - there won't be a second vote, the current result won't be 'overturned' either.....but it'll still either happen or won't

......and we get the best deal that is available for the future of the country

What 'deal' do you mean Steve ?

 

[status]

Spot on there Ian and porky is right,move on as I said before,the French might surprise you now the uk has patched the way as you are in a failing currency,propping up other countries,all this rubbish about trade deal,yeah right,Europe won't sell to uk unless it's on their terms,so that puts a lot of em out of work,wait a minute,they won't be able to come over here as easy and Nick our jobs and the U.K. Employers will have to pay decent wages,it could be the kick up the back side some of the lazy English need as the Asian immigrants study and work hard to get better jobs,you don't see them running all the corner shops as much now days do you,so come back to Englandland Sean then you can rant and rave as much as you like with all the other lot

 

[Phil007]

Sorry can not see where the "highest Since 1992" is incorrect

Steve, I am wrong and you are of course quite correct. I'm in the middle of looking at UK turnouts and absolute numbers and had a blind spot on your cut-off date. Sorry.

Phil.

 

[SeanDezart]

Sean then you can rant and rave as much as you like with all the other lot

.......gangi þér vel !

 

[SeanDezart]

Ok, hope everyone has calmed down now : http://uk.reuters.com/business/markets/uk

what are the Brexits now expecting from the depart from the EU - short-term (ie from here 'til 3yrs time having left), 5 years and long-term ?

 

[MikeB]

Sean,

No doubt in the medium to long term, it will all get sorted out. Why? Money. Whatever works for both parties will end up being the answer. As has been said the UK still is part of Europe and Europe will still value the UK. So whatever brings both the best return will be the answer, there may be a lot of posturing in the interim, but whatever the banks and the markets are happy with will inevitably be the solution.

As far as Status is concerned, the outer regions will excuse England for their embarrassing football performance ( provided they stop mentioning 1966 !) and still value their contribution to this United Kingdom, though the Scots may have another flutter at pretending to be Responsible Adults.

But the bottom line is that RHD Zeds will still be worth more that their inferior, cack handed, imported brothers when for sale in Essex, so the Z World sails on as normal

 

[tel240z]

DEXIT next year

 

[SeanDezart]

Sean,

a) No doubt in the medium to long term, it will all get sorted out. Why? Money. Whatever works for both parties will end up being the answer. As has been said the UK still is part of Europe and Europe will still value the UK. So whatever brings both the best return will be the answer, there may be a lot of posturing in the interim, but whatever the banks and the markets are happy with will inevitably be the solution.

b) As far as Status is concerned, the outer regions will excuse England for their embarrassing football performance ( provided they stop mentioning 1966 !) and still value their contribution to this United Kingdom, though the Scots may have another flutter at pretending to be Responsible Adults.

c) But the bottom line is that RHD Zeds will still be worth more that their inferior, cack handed, imported brothers when for sale in Essex, so the Z World sails on as normal

a) So whatever brings both the best return will be the answer but whatever the banks and the markets are happy with will inevitably be the solution. So, NO article 50 then.

b) My money is on the flutter IF Parliament invoke Art 50.

c) Of course 'cos the Z was designed to be a RHD car....but ironic that you mention Z world when inversed becomes world Z and so many more customers bought and still search LHD cars.....although UK cars wether lh or rh drive won't be so easily imported over here if you leave the EU.

 

[status]

Don't think we will lose any sleep if lhd or RHD cars are not so easy to import over to France,do you,we we conquered the world so we don't need some scrawny little foreigner telling us wot we can-can't do-say,as Mike b says is probably wot will happen the good thing is we can make our own laws and don't have to get involved with all this human right rubbish,like me and porky says it's time up to move on as it seems you are really bothered about the result.Well it was a result and you don't live here anymore,simple really ,but I do have a spare room if you are that bothered get yer backside over here and join the demonstration that is planned by the stay side

 

[SeanDezart]

Paul - you'd be funny if you weren't so serious.

Don't quote history to me :http://www.orbilat.com/Influences_o...-English-French-The_Domination_of_French.html

which is only what it is - the past.
Yes, it was the result but let's look to the future and I note that no-one anywhere that I've posted the questions (post this time yesterday morning) has answered :

Ok, hope everyone has calmed down now, what are the Brexits now expecting from the depart from the EU - short-term (ie from here 'til 3yrs time having left), 5 years and long-term ?

 

[status]

The point is Sean,us over here have had enough of most of wot the EU stands for,no one knows the answer to your question,if I could see into the future I would be a millionaire but a cant and I'm not so your question is irrelevant in some ways,it's just opinions that you would get so let's see,onwards and upwards is the saying,Time to move on old chap

 

[status]

Are you going to join in the stay demonstrations that are planned over here

 

[SeanDezart]

Just for the record - if the referendum was held tomorrow, would you bet your Z on an exit vote ?

I'm not asking for an opinion on what WILL happen Paul - I'm asking what you (and others) WANT to happen - what your expectations.

The vote was cast, the resultat was obtained - you must surely know what you wanted to happen afterwards, beyond that art 50 will be invoked and why the short-term is 2-3 years until the UK has officially exited and then mid and long term.

No, I signed the petition but I'm happy to accept the result, just not the way it was obtained but that doesn't change the result.

 

[status]

So are you coming over to join the demo,I think now the public have realised it ain't gonner be that bad after all I think I would have a good bet on the same result but I don't think I would get good odds,

 

[SeanDezart]

I said no.....I think that you should accept their right to protest and let off steam....but I note that you still haven't answered my question re what you want to happen now.